Could the Press Grow a Spine?

Aha! You dodged the draft by going into the reserves just as many have
accused
Bush of doing by going into the guard.


Actually, I joined the Marine Corps the day I turned 18.

This is a link to a picture of me taken in 1983:

http://members.aol.com/walterm140/oki83.jpg

I was on Desert Storm also.

Walt

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

This link shows Bush's chronilogical record of service. There's a 16 month
gap:

http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif

There's an entry on 26 May 72. The next entry is 10/01/73.


That link shows a portion of a faded document. Thank you for proving my
point.

From: (WalterM140)
Date: 6/27/2004 5:00 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Aha! You dodged the draft by going into the reserves just as many have
accused
Bush of doing by going into the guard.


Actually, I joined the Marine Corps the day I turned 18.

This is a link to a picture of me taken in 1983:

http://members.aol.com/walterm140/oki83.jpg

I was on Desert Storm also.

Walt

Oh lookie, a gen-you-wine GI. Ooooh, I'm SOOO impressed.

Look, whether Bush served as much or as little as he said is of no import. At
least he never stabbed us in the back as did Kerry. And he did serve in the
TANG.

I get rather tired of people saying their service was more important than
someone else's. For every me, Ed or Art there were a bunch of nameless,
faceless slobs that supported us.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
news:qd0Dc.117009$0y.58857@attbi_s03...

The Republicans and their junior college instructor lackey's have a long
history of belittling those who served well while exaggerating the
military records of their, more prudent, candidates.

Can anyone remember the 1972 election? During WWII Richard Nixon ran a
Navy fruit drink stand at some South Pacific backwater supply base while
George McGovern was leading groups of B24s in daylight attacks on Nazi
Europe. AFter the war McGovern used the GI Bill to get a Ph.D., while
Nixon used slush funds to finance red baiting.

By election time in 1972 the Republican propaganda machine convinced the
weak minded and ignorant that Nixon was the warrior and McGovern the

dodger.

They're trying to pull the same trick in 2004.



I can remember the 1972 election, but I sure don't remember what you
described. I think you fabricated it.

Well Steve, if you don't think very well, try to not think very much:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3...scheer20021029

Cheers,

--mike

In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

The Republicans and their junior college instructor lackey's have a long
history of belittling those who served well while exaggerating the
military records of their, more prudent, candidates.

Can anyone remember the 1972 election? During WWII Richard Nixon ran a
Navy fruit drink stand at some South Pacific backwater supply base while
George McGovern was leading groups of B24s in daylight attacks on Nazi
Europe. AFter the war McGovern used the GI Bill to get a Ph.D., while
Nixon used slush funds to finance red baiting.

By election time in 1972 the Republican propaganda machine convinced the
weak minded and ignorant that Nixon was the warrior and McGovern the
dodger.

They're trying to pull the same trick in 2004.


I can remember the 1972 election, but I sure don't remember what you
described. I think you fabricated it.


Given that you were only 14 or 15 years old in 1972, it's amazing you're
able to recall the campaign tactics for that election (not that I do).


--Mike

"Mike Dargan" wrote:
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
news:qd0Dc.117009$0y.58857@attbi_s03...

The Republicans and their junior college instructor lackey's have a long
history of belittling those who served well while exaggerating the
military records of their, more prudent, candidates.

Can anyone remember the 1972 election? During WWII Richard Nixon ran a
Navy fruit drink stand at some South Pacific backwater supply base while
George McGovern was leading groups of B24s in daylight attacks on Nazi
Europe. AFter the war McGovern used the GI Bill to get a Ph.D., while
Nixon used slush funds to finance red baiting.

By election time in 1972 the Republican propaganda machine convinced the
weak minded and ignorant that Nixon was the warrior and McGovern the

dodger.

They're trying to pull the same trick in 2004.



I can remember the 1972 election, but I sure don't remember what you
described. I think you fabricated it.

Well Steve, if you don't think very well, try to not think very much:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3...scheer20021029

That modern review you selected appears to have missed who actually
supported McGovern's in the primaries (it also doesn't provide any evidence
that the Nixon campaign portrayed McGovern as a draft dodger).
It wasn't the Nixon campaign that painted McGovern the "subversive peacenik"
it was the news shots of his anti-war, anti-capitalist supporters and his
own campaign rhetoric at the Democratic convention and the many campaign
rallies leading up to the election that November.

"Mike Dargan" wrote in message
news:cpFDc.124898$Sw.61008@attbi_s51...

Well Steve, if you don't think very well, try to not think very much:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3...scheer20021029

Cheers,


The article is dated 2002, not 1972, and says nothing about portraying Nixon
as a warrior and McGovern a draft dodger. I can only conclude that you have
nothing to support your assertion, and that you don't think very well or
very much.

Have a nice day.

"Michael Wise" wrote in message
...

Given that you were only 14 or 15 years old in 1972, it's amazing you're
able to recall the campaign tactics for that election (not that I do).


Thanks.

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:29:00 GMT, Michael Wise wrote:

In article .net,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

The Republicans and their junior college instructor lackey's have a long
history of belittling those who served well while exaggerating the
military records of their, more prudent, candidates.

I've got to say I "resemble that remark", but don't think I'm much in
to belittling those who served well. I've got no problem maintaining
the respect of the warriors that I fought alongside of and who kept
the faith over all these years with their comrades. I tend to despise
those who exaggerate their military record. I support the many groups
who work hard to unmask the poseurs and wannabes.

Can anyone remember the 1972 election? During WWII Richard Nixon ran a
Navy fruit drink stand at some South Pacific backwater supply base while
George McGovern was leading groups of B24s in daylight attacks on Nazi
Europe. AFter the war McGovern used the GI Bill to get a Ph.D., while
Nixon used slush funds to finance red baiting.

As we've often addressed here, a war of the magnitude of WW II
required an incredible amount of manpower. A lot of that was in a
supporting role. My father, for a poor example, served for four years,
drafted as I was being born to function only in a stateside support
role as he was both too old and medically unfit for forward duty. But,
he served and rose to tech sergeant in the Army Air Corps at Keesler
AFB and then Santa Rosa Air Base.

McGovern did not go to any great lengths to highlight his WW II
service during the 1972 campaign. He ran as a staunchly pacifist,
anti-war candidate. He ran on his liberal background as Senator from
SD. He misread the mood of the electorate and while he appealed to the
core of his party, he didn't transfer is appeal to the moderate,
unaffiliated voters and certainly didn't draw from the right.

McGovern used his GI Bill well. Nixon "used slush funds" in his
political role, appropriately if not in consonance with what you might
have chosen him to do. He made his reputation in early political
development as an anti-communist. There's no relationship between
McGovern's education and Nixon's job funding. It's a red herring.

By election time in 1972 the Republican propaganda machine convinced the
weak minded and ignorant that Nixon was the warrior and McGovern the
dodger.

By 1972 we were four years into the Nixon policy of "Vietnamization".
We were down to less than one quarter of the troops in-country in SEA.
We were sitting at the peace table in Paris with SVN, NVN and the VC.
We were actively engaged in diplomatic negotiations with China and
"peace was at hand". Hardly a "warrior" positioning.

There was never a mention of McGovern as a "dodger." There was plenty
of McGovern posturing as a pacifist and unilateral disarmer.

I can remember the 1972 election, but I sure don't remember what you
described. I think you fabricated it.

I can remember the '72 election.


Given that you were only 14 or 15 years old in 1972, it's amazing you're
able to recall the campaign tactics for that election (not that I do).

I was thirty and flying my second tour at Korat in the F-4E, going to
NVN most every day. I had a vested interest in the campaign.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

"WaltBJ" wrote in message
m...
A LOT of wasted bandwidth.
1. Stop slanging each other. The 'Ad Hominem'"argument" just wstes
every one's time. (I say bring back the Code Duello and that would
help cut it down.)
2. Lying to the media is really really dumb and should give y'all a
very good idea of the person's character and social intelligence.
Cheney's been caught twice in the past week, so far. I wonder what
else lies in the hearts and minds of Cheney and his ilk? Sorry, I'm
not the Shadow.

Cheney probably did believe there was a "confirmed" connection, and
therefore wasn't lying: Here is a fair analysis of the Atta-Iraq question:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2091354/

Of course I am using the word lie to mean purposeful deceipt as opposed to
how it is increasing being used by Bush haters as a synonym for "incorrect"
or misinformed.

Jarg