Rolling a Non Aerobat 150

Skywise wrote:
"Dave Stadt" wrote in
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"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in
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Dave Stadt wrote:
You honestly believe spin training would save you if you spun with a
load of
ice? Surely you jest.


I know what's going to happen if I do nothing.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Over gross, iced up and in a spin is Darwin award time.

This reminds me of a scenario my motorcycle class instructor
gave the class.

Your flying up the on ramp to a freeway, one of those clover
leaf types that have you go around in a 270 and the center is
filled with foliage. You're going as fast as you can, leaning
way over and dragging your knee on the ground just like the
best of them. Suddenly up ahead you notice a bus stopped at
the traffic light at the top of the ramp*.

What do you do?

The class offered up all sorts of answers, none of which were
right. I happened to have the right answer, that you don't put
yourself into that situation in the first place.

My point is, I see flying over gross weight as putting yourself
into a potentially unrecoverable situation.

*Don't know if other places have these, but here in LA there's
traffic lights at the top of the onramps to regulate the flow
cars entering the freeway during peak traffic hours. It's
supposed to space the oncoming vehicles apart so they can merge
smoothly with existing traffic.

The problem I have with these lights is that the stupid drivers
dont' hit the gas hard enough and they then try merging with
70 mph traffic at 30mph. It's bad enough that they do that
without the light.

Advantage is to the motorcycle, especially if there's a carpool
lane, as we are allowed to use them here in Kah-lee-for-nyuh.

Just some thoughts....

Brian
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Not too dificult to be over gross withoug knowing it. Do you think all
passengers know their weight or are honest about it? Do you think the
170 pound per person rule of thumb is very accurate? Do you think the
passengers know the weight of their baggage?

Matt Barrow wrote:
Dave Stadt wrote:
You honestly believe spin training would save you if you spun with a load of
ice? Surely you jest.

Where did the ice come in?


I suggested it as one possible scenario where somebody could unintentially get
into a spin despite their best intentions. I don't know whether I can fly out
of the spin or not but I sure as hell know how I'd try. Ignorance is not a
virtue.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Matt Barrow wrote:
Dave Stadt wrote:
You honestly believe spin training would save you if you spun with a load of
ice? Surely you jest.

Where did the ice come in?

This is a pretty good read about a fellow who took on a load of ice one week
into his instrument rating and ended up spinning it. Obviously, he survived to
write this:

http://www.fly4fun.com/rwagner/story.html

I don't think he thought spin recovery was a waste of time with or without a
load of ice.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
the altitude go. Talking to ATC is a low priority compared to keeping the wings
level. That is your primary concern... wings level.

Aviate. Navigate. Communicate.

are numerous holes... down low. I prefer to fly underneath if at all possible.

I prefer to avoid them altogether. There's no reason (for me) to fly in
any thunderstorm. If the weather is like that, I should be on the
ground watching.

Chris

Since I'm not IFR certified, that sounds good to me! ;-)

Chris


Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:

But if you simply avoid thunderstorms like you avoid stalls, then you
don't need to worry about any of these techniques, right? :-)



Unfortunately, that requires you fly VFR at all times.

If I have pax that I don't know and I have bags that I don't know, then
I have a bathroom scale that is small and gets used.

Chris


Sport Pilot wrote:

Skywise wrote:

"Dave Stadt" wrote in
. com:


"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in
message . ..

Dave Stadt wrote:

You honestly believe spin training would save you if you spun with a

load of

ice? Surely you jest.


I know what's going to happen if I do nothing.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN



Over gross, iced up and in a spin is Darwin award time.

This reminds me of a scenario my motorcycle class instructor
gave the class.

Your flying up the on ramp to a freeway, one of those clover
leaf types that have you go around in a 270 and the center is
filled with foliage. You're going as fast as you can, leaning
way over and dragging your knee on the ground just like the
best of them. Suddenly up ahead you notice a bus stopped at
the traffic light at the top of the ramp*.

What do you do?

The class offered up all sorts of answers, none of which were
right. I happened to have the right answer, that you don't put
yourself into that situation in the first place.

My point is, I see flying over gross weight as putting yourself
into a potentially unrecoverable situation.

*Don't know if other places have these, but here in LA there's
traffic lights at the top of the onramps to regulate the flow
cars entering the freeway during peak traffic hours. It's
supposed to space the oncoming vehicles apart so they can merge
smoothly with existing traffic.

The problem I have with these lights is that the stupid drivers
dont' hit the gas hard enough and they then try merging with
70 mph traffic at 30mph. It's bad enough that they do that
without the light.

Advantage is to the motorcycle, especially if there's a carpool
lane, as we are allowed to use them here in Kah-lee-for-nyuh.

Just some thoughts....

Brian
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http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism

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Not too dificult to be over gross withoug knowing it. Do you think all
passengers know their weight or are honest about it? Do you think the
170 pound per person rule of thumb is very accurate? Do you think the
passengers know the weight of their baggage?

Chris G. wrote:
I prefer to avoid them altogether. There's no reason (for me) to fly in
any thunderstorm. If the weather is like that, I should be on the
ground watching.


We all should. Unfortunately, the nature of IFR flying doesn't always allow you
the luxury. There have been numerous trips in solid IFR where I avoided
convective events but needed to take the chance to get any utility out of
flying. (Can't get to the Bahamas without risking it *somewhere*.) There have
also been a few where I inadvertently flew into an embedded cell. No fun at
all.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

VE

"Sport Pilot" wrote in news:1118415441.605435.128770
@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

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Not too dificult to be over gross withoug knowing it. Do you think all
passengers know their weight or are honest about it? Do you think the
170 pound per person rule of thumb is very accurate? Do you think the
passengers know the weight of their baggage?

I thought we were talking about private light GA, not commercial airlines.

But even so, that's even more reason to be sure you don't break the
rules because you have a responsibility to others lives. If someone
wants to bend/break the rules at the risk of their own life, fine, be
a darwin award candidate. We dont' need them in the gene pool. But
don't risk other's lives while you're at it.

The same argument could even apply to light private GA. What if you
crash into someone's house and kill the residents? hmmm???

Better safe than sorry.

Brian
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Matt Whiting wrote:

But if you simply avoid thunderstorms like you avoid stalls, then you
don't need to worry about any of these techniques, right? :-)

Yep, and that's what I do. VFR all the way.

George Patterson
Why do men's hearts beat faster, knees get weak, throats become dry,
and they think irrationally when a woman wears leather clothing?
Because she smells like a new truck.

George Patterson wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:


But if you simply avoid thunderstorms like you avoid stalls, then you
don't need to worry about any of these techniques, right? :-)


Yep, and that's what I do. VFR all the way.

But where is the challenge there? :-)


Matt