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"Joe Delphi" wrote: with of course no replacement, leaving the carrier force wide open to submarine attack... What submarines? Most of the ex-Soviet Union's subs are rusting away at their docks. The submarines from other countries are diesel and noisy and therefore not all that much of a threat. A diesel sub on battery power is much quieter than a nuclear sub. They are and always have been a challenging threat. --Mike |
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"Vaughn" wrote in message ... "Joe Delphi" wrote in message ink.net... The submarines from other countries are diesel and noisy and therefore not all that much of a threat. Yes, but when they shut down those diesels and lurk, they get very quiet indeed! Their small size makes them even harder to find. The last I heard, the US Navy considers conventional submarines to be a significant threat. Vaughn I have read that Australian and NATO diesel subs have 'sunk' US carriers in exercises. |
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The submarines from other countries are diesel and noisy and
therefore not all that much of a threat. BRBR Not a bubblehead but the biggest threat today is from Chinese diesels, running on battery power, in the Tiawan straights, waiting for a CV.. P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Jeroen Wenting wrote:
"Andrew C. Toppan" wrote in message .. . On 24 Jan 2005 15:57:21 -0800, (Prowlus) wrote: Is the S-3 Viking going to be retired? Yes. This has been known for years. with of course no replacement, leaving the carrier force wide open to submarine attack... All battle groups have attack subs attached... |
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Vaughn wrote:
"Joe Delphi" wrote in message link.net... The submarines from other countries are diesel and noisy and therefore not all that much of a threat. Yes, but when they shut down those diesels and lurk, they get very quiet indeed! Their small size makes them even harder to find. The last I heard, the US Navy considers conventional submarines to be a significant threat. Vaughn Which is why CVN's tend to stay in deep water far offshore. |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 06:07:45 GMT, "Joe Delphi"
wrote: What submarines? Most of the ex-Soviet Union's subs are rusting away at their docks. The submarines from other countries are diesel and noisy and therefore not all that much of a threat. You know nothing of submarines. Diesel submarines are quite often more quiet than nukes. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:16:50 GMT, "Vaughn"
wrote: "Joe Delphi" wrote in message link.net... The submarines from other countries are diesel and noisy and therefore not all that much of a threat. Yes, but when they shut down those diesels and lurk, they get very quiet indeed! Their small size makes them even harder to find. The last I heard, the US Navy considers conventional submarines to be a significant threat. Ayup. Was certainly true during my time (70s-80s) and I don't think much has changed. A nuke, lurking, can be damn near as quiet as a diesel on batteries. Not as, but damn near. A sub who wants to "lurk" will be found more by accident than design. The problem for the sub is that if he lurks in the wrong place then he has to move and when he moves he is vulnerable. Nukes because they make much more noise, conventionals because any kind of speed rapidly drains battery capacity, requiring a charge and once the diesels start to fire it's "whoa Nelly" accousticly-wise speaking! ;-) Put an sub-surface to surface missle on a conventional sub and put him on the track of a battle group and you can give an admiral a real bad day. Bill Kambic Veteran, VS/VP |
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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 00:16:14 -0500, wrote:
Whoever wrote what you replied to is an idiot. Diesel subs are noisy only while surfaced to recharge batteries but once submerged are extremely difficult to detect. I seem to recall that they are rather loud when snorting, too. "surfaced to recharge" and "snorting" are pretty much the same thing in terms of noise - the diesel is running. Once you turn off the diesel, they can be very, very quiet indeed. -- Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself" "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today, Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/ |
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