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Old June 30th 03, 11:10 PM
Bart
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I was getting ready to go today and noticed that there were two
new TFR's for me to avoid. One of them closed a regional airport,
and the other a few miles away to the northwest. I saw the words
"Secret Service" and figured #1 or #2 was gonna be in town.
I did a news search and found out that the reason for it was
because VP Cheney was going to a $1000/plate party fundraiser.

All told they mucked up about 60 square miles of airspace,
closed a fairly large airport (class C), and caused a mess on a
pretty big highway; All in the name of fundraising for the party.

I think this is really wrong! If they were on official biz for
the government I could understand it, but they're just stumping
for re-election and panhandling with rich people, and I don't
think they should be doing it on our dime or at the expense of
the public's right to travel.

I got to thinking that this is only going to get worse as election
season heats up, and wondered how many pilots would be losing their
tickets because they didn't check their political fundraising notams.

Agreements or disagreements out there?

Bart
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Old July 1st 03, 12:49 AM
Micbloo
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I saw the words
"Secret Service" and figured #1 or #2 was gonna be in town.


Happens here in NYC all the time. Bush was in town last Monday for a
fundraiser
and when he comes in everything shuts down.
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Old July 2nd 03, 04:55 PM
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Along the lines of this and a previous thread, I sent this to the White
house yesterday w/copies to my congressional critters.


President Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington D.C.

July1, 2003

Dear President Bush,

Please do not visit or send Vice President Cheney to the Tucson area during
your fund raising and campaigning junkets. The onerous flight restrictions
now (30 nm radius) imposed by your travels are in excess of 12,000 cubic
miles of airspace closed to general aviation. Not only does this deprive
law-abiding U.S. citizens of their right to travel but it could push some
struggling businesses over the edge.
Since 9/11, innuendo, false alarms and pointless flight restrictions have
decimated the general aviation industry. This industry employs more people
than the airlines but has not received any economic relief. On the contrary,
general aviation continues to be selected for additional economic damage
through an executive policy of unreasonable restrictions, impositions, and
lack of due process. The "DC 3" airports are an excellent example.
You have a right to campaign and raise funds but you must be aware that
these activities are not within the duties of you office. While conducting
these activities you are holding your rights above those of millions of
fellow citizens. I hope you will take an opportunity to review your security
arrangements soon. Until you can reduce the imposition (return to the 10 nm
radius) or realistically justify the current restrictions, please give your
fellow citizens a break and stay home.




Kevin W. McCue
Business owner and pilot

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Old July 2nd 03, 11:22 PM
Bart
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Kevin, you are tha man!
Nice Job,
Bart

Kevin McCue wrote:

Along the lines of this and a previous thread, I sent this to the White
house yesterday w/copies to my congressional critters.

President Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington D.C.

July1, 2003

Dear President Bush,

Please do not visit or send Vice President Cheney to the Tucson area during
your fund raising and campaigning junkets. The onerous flight restrictions
now (30 nm radius) imposed by your travels are in excess of 12,000 cubic
miles of airspace closed to general aviation. Not only does this deprive
law-abiding U.S. citizens of their right to travel but it could push some
struggling businesses over the edge.
Since 9/11, innuendo, false alarms and pointless flight restrictions have
decimated the general aviation industry. This industry employs more people
than the airlines but has not received any economic relief. On the contrary,
general aviation continues to be selected for additional economic damage
through an executive policy of unreasonable restrictions, impositions, and
lack of due process. The "DC 3" airports are an excellent example.
You have a right to campaign and raise funds but you must be aware that
these activities are not within the duties of you office. While conducting
these activities you are holding your rights above those of millions of
fellow citizens. I hope you will take an opportunity to review your security
arrangements soon. Until you can reduce the imposition (return to the 10 nm
radius) or realistically justify the current restrictions, please give your
fellow citizens a break and stay home.

Kevin W. McCue
Business owner and pilot

--
Kevin McCue
KRYN
'47 Luscombe 8E
Rans S-17 (for sale)

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Old July 3rd 03, 12:33 AM
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 08:55:23 -0700, "Kevin McCue" wrote:

Along the lines of this and a previous thread, I sent this to the White
house yesterday w/copies to my congressional critters.


President Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington D.C.

July1, 2003

Dear President Bush,

-snip-
Kevin W. McCue
Business owner and pilot

Right on Kevin!
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Old December 7th 06, 05:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.rotorcraft,rec.aviation.piloting
Christopher Campbell[_1_]
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:10:28 -0800, Bart wrote
(in article ):

I think this is really wrong! If they were on official biz for
the government I could understand it, but they're just stumping
for re-election and panhandling with rich people, and I don't
think they should be doing it on our dime or at the expense of
the public's right to travel.


Some of the stupidest reasoning that I have ever heard, which is going some
for Usenet. Look, you can argue about whether the security measures are
effective or necessary. But to suggest that they should in place only when
they are on "official biz" is utterly ridiculous. Terrorists and assassins
work 'round the clock. They do not only strike when Presidents and Vice
Presidents are on "official biz."

No doubt if your favorite politician was assassinated while visiting his Aunt
Mathilda in Hoople, North Dakota, you would be outraged if he normally had a
security detail but, because he was not on the job, the detail was back in
DC.

So, you want them to have security, only when they are on official business,
and then only if it is not a personal inconvenience to you? Limitations on
your right to travel are the tip of the iceberg. Your freedom to speak is
also limited. I remember when President Carter visited the Olympic Hotel in
Seattle. Several staff members were given a few weeks off, without pay,
because they had said things critical of Carter. Every guest had to undergo a
background check. Anyone who had ever said anything even remotely threatening
had his reservations canceled. People who had lived in the hotel for years
were evicted because the President clears out not only the floor he is
staying on, but also the floors above and below it.

Presidents who go to ball games have entire sections of seating cleared out
for security purposes. It does not matter if you have had season tickets for
50 years; you're out.

Presidential motorcades close out whole networks of streets and highways,
because the exact route of the motorcade is a secret. If you were counting on
that route to get to your job on time, or even the hospital, tough luck. It
has been that way for more than 40 years. You once wrote a threatening letter
and your office overlooks a potential route? You get to stay home for the
day, without pay. And maybe your boss will fire you because you did not show
up to work.

And then there is the cost of all this security, the money for which is taken
from you every year at gunpoint. But hey, if all you are worried about is
TFRs, no prob, Bro. Just remember you sound a little like a 3 pack a day
smoker worrying about getting cancer from the MSG in a Chinese restaurant.

 




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