Presidents What Has Been Shot At

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From: "Tarver Engineering"

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The DoD is delegated Congressional authority and extra Constitutional in
nature.

Congress only holds the purse strings. DOD is an Executive Branch
function.
They work for the president, not congress.

Nope.

"Tarver Engineering" wrote:

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: : : : When is the CinC not Military?
: : : :
: : : : If "CinC" means "Commander in Chief", then when he's the
:President of the United
: : : : States.
: : : :
: : : : If you mean something else in context, please define CinC.
: : : :
: : : :I am refering to the Constitutional authority delegated to the
:President.
: : :
: : : Which does not make him 'military' any more than the Secretary of
: : : Defense is 'military' or the Secretary of the Navy is 'a sailor'.
: : :
: : :The DoD is delegated Congressional authority and extra Constitutional
:in
: : :nature.
: :
: : False.
: :
: :Show me the DoD in the constitution.
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: Show me Tarver in the Constitution. That's doesn't make you "extra
: Constitutional in nature".
:
: See Article II, Section 2.
:
:Article II Section 2 proves my contention, but has zero to do with what you
:wrote, Fred.

Work on that reading comprehension, Tarver.

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: : : : When is the CinC not Military?
: : : :
: : : : If "CinC" means "Commander in Chief", then when he's the
:President of the United
: : : : States.
: : : :
: : : : If you mean something else in context, please define CinC.
: : : :
: : : :I am refering to the Constitutional authority delegated to the
:President.
: : :
: : : Which does not make him 'military' any more than the Secretary of
: : : Defense is 'military' or the Secretary of the Navy is 'a sailor'.
: : :
: : :The DoD is delegated Congressional authority and extra
Constitutional
:in
: : :nature.
: :
: : False.
: :
: :Show me the DoD in the constitution.
:
: Show me Tarver in the Constitution. That's doesn't make you "extra
: Constitutional in nature".
:
: See Article II, Section 2.
:
:Article II Section 2 proves my contention, but has zero to do with what
you
:wrote, Fred.

Work on that reading comprehension, Tarver.

I have no such problem, Fred.

The DoD is Congressional Authority delegated to the Executive. There is no
DoD in the US Constitution.

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:40:51 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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The DoD is Congressional Authority delegated to the Executive. There is no
DoD in the US Constitution.

The DoD is, as you indicate, not mentioned in the Constitution. None
of the Cabinet is mentioned in the Constitution. It was assumed, based
on experience with other democracy's chief executive operations
(including the PM in the British Parliament) that the President would
be assisted by trusted associates in managing the government. (As an
aside, DoD only came into being in 1947 as a replacement for the DoW.)

But, more importantly, the power of the President is inherent in the
Constitution and is delegated by the States. The Congress, as a
co-equal branch of government has no delegational authority.

The President is designated in the Constitution as Commander-in-Chief
of the military and by law may not be a military person. The tradition
of civilian control of the military is a basic tenet of stable
democratic systems.

There's still an empty seat in my American Government class any time
you're in the neighborhood, John.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

Steven James Forsberg wrote in message ...
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: Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in a plane
: that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it were bogus,
: but the bullets were apparently real.

I wouldn't call the missio "bogus." The aerial missions were very
real, it's just that LBJ volunteered to go along. His being a congresscritter
probably assisted in the process, and he may have done it specifically in
order to fight charges of being 'yellow'. His previous military duties had
been in war production and inspection tours. However, the bullets were ver
real. On the other hand, most agree that Mac was kissing arse when he
handed out that star....
Personally, I think that keeping serving congressfolks out of
uniform is a splendid idea. ISTR that FDR got some flak for making that
decision, but I think it was the right one.

BTW, does anyone know specifically if Nixon was present during a
bombing? Would that get counted as "shot at"? Nixon served on Guadalcanal.
It was right after the pullout of Japanese ground troops, but didn't
Henderson field still get bombed once in a while? He was a supply officer
with the Pacific air forces, but bombs (like rain) fall on all alike....



No mention of good Quaker Nixon getting bombed, I'm sure after he made
Congressman if there was a half-truth that could be inflated to hero
status he would gotten it. He is a home-town boy and I didn't hear any
thing that could pass as secert dope that Dickie had been brave.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-8.htm
Nixon became an attorney for the Office of Emergency Management in
Washington, D.C. where he worked until he accepted an appointment as
lieutenant junior grade in the United States Naval Reserve on 15 June
1942.


Following his appointment, Nixon began aviation indoctrination
training at the Naval Training School, Naval Air Station in Quonset
Point, Rhode Island. After completing the course in October 1942, he
went to the Naval Reserve Aviation Base in Ottumwa, Iowa, where he
served as Aide to the Executive Officer until May 1943. Looking for
more excitement, Nixon volunteered for sea duty and reported to
Commander Air Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet where he was assigned as
Officer in Charge of the South Pacific Combat Air Transport Command at
Guadalcanal in the Solomons and later at Green Island. His unit
prepared manifests and flight plans for C-47 operations and supervised
the loading and unloading of the cargo aircraft. For this service he
received a Letter of Commendation from the Commander South Pacific
Area and South Pacific Force for "meritorious and efficient
performance of duty as Officer in Charge of the South Pacific Combat
Air Transport Command... " On 1 October 1943, Nixon was promoted to
lieutenant.


From August through December of 1944, Nixon was assigned to Fleet Air
Wing EIGHT. From December through March 1945, he served at the Bureau
of Aeronautics, Navy Department, Washington, D.C. In March, his next
assignment was as the Bureau of Aeronautics Contracting Officer for
Terminations in the Office of the Bureau of Aeronautics General
Representative, Eastern District, headquartered in New York City. In
that capacity he had temporary additional duty at various places,
including Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Buffalo, New York City, and
East Hartford, Connecticut. When he was released from active duty on
10 March 1946. He was promoted to Commander in the Naval Reserve on 1
June 1953.


While on active duty besides the Letter of Commendation, Nixon earned
the American Campaign Medal, the Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal, and
the World War II Victory Medal. He is entitled to two engagement stars
on the Asiatic- Pacific Campaign Medal for supporting air action in
the Treasury- Bougainville operations from 27 October to 15 December
1943 and for consolidation of the northern Solomons from 15 December
1943 to 22 July 1944. Nixon transferred to the Retired Reserve of the
Naval Reserve on 1 June 1966.

add: Lt. Richard M. Nixon's Letter of Commendation Citation

COMMENDATION BY COMSOPAC, 25 SEP 1944
TO
LIEUTENANT RICHARD MILHOUS NIXON
UNITED STATES NAVAL RESERVE


"For meritorious and efficient performance of duty as
Officer-in-Charge of the South Pacific Combat Air Transport Command at
Bougainville and later at Green Islands from January 1 to June 16,
1944. During this period, Lieutenant Nixon displayed sound judgment
and initiative in organizing the South Pacific Combat Air Transport
Command activities at both Bougainville and Green Islands. He
established the efficient liaison which made possible the immediate
supply by air of vital material and key personnel, and the prompt
evacuation of battle casualties from these stations to rear areas. His
able leadership, tireless efforts and devotion to duty were in keeping
with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service."

Pertinent verses from H.M.S. Pinafore, slightly altered to fit the
circumstances

5. I was so brave that I was sent
By Commie bashing into Parliament.
I always voted at my party's call,
And I never thought of thinking for myself at all.
He never thought of thinking for himself at all.
I thought so little, they rewarded me
By making me the Ruler of the Whole Navee!
He thought so little, they rewarded he
By making him the Ruler of the Whole Navee!

6. Now landsmen all, whoever you may be,
If you want to rise to the top of the tree,
If your soul isn't fettered to an office stool,
Be careful to be guided by this golden rule
Be careful to be guided by this golden rule.
Stick close to your desks and never go to sea,
And you all may be rulers of the Whole Navee!
Stick close to your desks and never go to sea,
And you all may be rulers of the Whole Navee!

"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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Steven James Forsberg wrote in message
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B

: Johnson got a direct commission while a congressman. He was riding in
a plane
: that was attacked. His "mission" was bogus, the decorations for it
were bogus,
: but the bullets were apparently real.

I wouldn't call the missio "bogus." The aerial missions were very
real, it's just that LBJ volunteered to go along. His being a
congresscritter
probably assisted in the process, and he may have done it specifically
in
order to fight charges of being 'yellow'. His previous military duties
had
been in war production and inspection tours. However, the bullets were
ver
real. On the other hand, most agree that Mac was kissing arse when he
handed out that star....
Personally, I think that keeping serving congressfolks out of
uniform is a splendid idea. ISTR that FDR got some flak for making that
decision, but I think it was the right one.

BTW, does anyone know specifically if Nixon was present during a
bombing? Would that get counted as "shot at"? Nixon served on
Guadalcanal.
It was right after the pullout of Japanese ground troops, but didn't
Henderson field still get bombed once in a while? He was a supply
officer
with the Pacific air forces, but bombs (like rain) fall on all alike....



No mention of good Quaker Nixon getting bombed, I'm sure after he made
Congressman if there was a half-truth that could be inflated to hero
status he would gotten it. He is a home-town boy and I didn't hear any
thing that could pass as secert dope that Dickie had been brave.

You go on to list an article that indicates he served his years, did his
duty, actually sought to get into the combat theater...and yet all you can
do is poke fun at him. He never claimed to be a combat hero, and he never
was awarded a bogus Silver Star like LBJ. He did not come back home and
start labeling his compatriots as war criminals without a sound basis in
fact, as your buddy Kerry did. So just what is your beef with Nixon's
service? Would you like him better if he had made up stuff, like you have
done with your laughable "trained on demo at Camp Perry" crap, Jack?

Brooks

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"Ed Rasimus" wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 07:40:51 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


The DoD is Congressional Authority delegated to the Executive. There is
no
DoD in the US Constitution.

The DoD is, as you indicate, not mentioned in the Constitution. None
of the Cabinet is mentioned in the Constitution. It was assumed, based
on experience with other democracy's chief executive operations
(including the PM in the British Parliament) that the President would
be assisted by trusted associates in managing the government. (As an
aside, DoD only came into being in 1947 as a replacement for the DoW.)

All Cabinet level Executive positions are Congressional Authority delegated
to the Excutive. The reason the GAO can investigate Cabinet level officers
and their offices is because they exist as an extension of Congress.

But, more importantly, the power of the President is inherent in the
Constitution and is delegated by the States. The Congress, as a
co-equal branch of government has no delegational authority.

LOL

The Congress has proven that they can Delegate spending authority to the
Executive.

The President is designated in the Constitution as Commander-in-Chief
of the military and by law may not be a military person. The tradition
of civilian control of the military is a basic tenet of stable
democratic systems.

Non-sequitur.

The President of these United States is Commander of the Military because
George Washington insisted on the Power. Washington, as Commander of the
Army of Virginia, was the most powerful man in North America and he was not
interested in being President without command of the Military.

No George Washington, no Constitution.

There's still an empty seat in my American Government class any time
you're in the neighborhood, John.

I would not wish to be contaminated by your negative knowledge, Rasimus.

"Prof. Vincent Brannigan" wrote in message
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The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing. Congress had the
power
to create an army and navy, but the president was its "commander". The
president gives "military" orders to subordinate commanders. He does not
merely
give "policy" direction as the Prime minister did in England.

The President is "commander" because that was the price of getting George
Washington to agree to be President.

The DoD is a mechanism whererby Congress' money is spent. That is why
Congress has the Authority to confirm, or reject, Cabinet level Executive
heads.

Tarver Engineering wrote:



I have no such problem, Fred.

The DoD is Congressional Authority delegated to the Executive. There is no
DoD in the US Constitution.

This is Meaningless

The constitution, not congress grants the president all "executive" authority

Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United
States of America.....

Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the
United States, and of the militia
of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States;
he may require the opinion, in
writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any
subject relating to the duties of their
respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for
offenses against the United States,
except in cases of impeachment.

The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing. Congress had the power
to create an army and navy, but the president was its "commander". The
president gives "military" orders to subordinate commanders. He does not merely
give "policy" direction as the Prime minister did in England.

Vince

"Prof. Vincent Brannigan" wrote in message
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Tarver Engineering wrote:

"Prof. Vincent Brannigan" wrote in message
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The founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing. Congress had
the
power
to create an army and navy, but the president was its "commander".
The
president gives "military" orders to subordinate commanders. He does
not merely
give "policy" direction as the Prime minister did in England.

The President is "commander" because that was the price of getting
George
Washington to agree to be President.

you are confusing rationale with the basis for power. The status as
commander
in chief derives from the constitution.

I am educating you professor, don't attempt to project your confusion on to
me.

The DoD is a mechanism whererby Congress' money is spent. That is why
Congress has the Authority to confirm, or reject, Cabinet level
Executive
heads.

no, The constitution confers that power , and its the senate, not congress
that can Advise and consent.
has nothing to do with the spending power.

All Cabinet level positions are created by Congress to spend Congress'
money. It is a way for Congress to evade their responsibility for spending.
If Congress had to write a check each time, as provided for by the
Constitution, there would be no excuse for out of control spending.