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Strange But (Un)True?
Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not
fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it. (Un)True? |
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Strange But (Un)True?
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Quaalude wrote: Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it. (Un)True? Even you, "Quaalude," could fly that pattern. After all, you don't have to take off or land, or even reconfigure the aircraft. No real skill required! |
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Strange But (Un)True?
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
Hanjour The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot. Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the banging has advanced your senility. |
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Strange But (Un)True?
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:47:05 -0400, Tom wrote:
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Hanjour The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot. Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the banging has advanced your senility. Pilots for Truth: "Our conclusion is, the maneuver looks possible, for guys like us. But for Hani? Unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757 hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..." |
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Strange But (Un)True?
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:36 -0400, Quaalude wrote:
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:47:05 -0400, Tom wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Hanjour The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot. Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the banging has advanced your senility. Pilots for Truth: "Our conclusion is, the maneuver looks possible, for guys like us. But for Hani? Unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757 hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..." The reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half the distance of its wingspan ¡X until speed is drastically reduced, which, of course, is what happens during normal landings. Flight 77 "hit the Pentagon" at cruising speed. So speaketh an aeronautical engineer. |
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Strange But (Un)True?
Quaalude wrote:
Pilots for Truth: "Our conclusion is, the maneuver looks possible, for guys like us. But for Hani? Unlikely. He either got REALLY lucky, or someone/something else was flying that plane. Sure wish we had clear video of a 757 hitting the pentagon to silence all these "Conspiracy theorists". They want us to believe the pentagon is only covered by a parking gate camera? C'mon..." Babbling nut case. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Strange But (Un)True?
In article , Tom
wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Hanjour The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot. First of all, if that maneuver would "press the limits of even the most experienced test pilot," I would have to question both his experience and expertise. It didn't take much ability to perform a diving 270 degree kamikaze turn. The Kamikazes in WW-II did it all the time, and with only rudimentary training. Only a fool would arge otherwise. Perhaps you need to remove you head from Mary's drums, Orval, the banging has advanced your senility. Obviously, neither "Tom" nor "Quaalude" has ever operated the controls of a plane, or they would not have posted such utter nonsense. |
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Strange But (Un)True?
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:43:56 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article , Tom wrote: On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 12:58:36 -0400, Quaalude wrote: The reactive force of the hugely powerful downwash sheet, coupled with the compressibility effects of the tip vortices, simply will not allow the aircraft to get any lower to the ground than approximately one half the distance of its wingspan ¡X until speed is drastically reduced, which, of course, is what happens during normal landings. You're saying there's a magic cushion that prevents aircraft at cruise from approaching close to the ground? No and you damn well know that is a complete distortion of the truth. snipped remaining lies |
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Strange But (Un)True?
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 13:36:54 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article , Tom wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: Hanjour The instructors at the airfield in Maryland said, "It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. He could not fly at all." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/04/us/a-trainee-noted-for-incompetence.html And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot. First of all, if that maneuver would "press the limits of even the most experienced test pilot," I would have to question both his experience and expertise. This is out of your league, Fairbairn, plain and simple. You're a proven quagmirist know-it-nothing with an overblown ego and a peanut head for a brain. "No-one cares what you "believe", just as your beliefs about weather and climate have been clearly shown to be ridiculous - negating any comment you wish to make on other areas of climate science." https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.global-warming/v_Z7jYtLlsI "If I can be bothered to show you the facts, the least you can do is to bother to reply, before you try to spread more crap." Your "expertise" extends to never building an LSA with a measly 80hp Jabiru P.O.S. Stick your head back inside Mary's drums where comfort awaits you. |
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Strange But (Un)True?
On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:40:19 +0000 (UTC), Edward A. Falk wrote:
In article , Tom wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:38:35 -0400, Orval Fairbairn wrote: And yet, Orval Fairbairn asks us to believe that Hanjour pulled off a stunt that would press the limits of even the most experienced aviation test pilot. Given a few days practice in Microsoft Flight Simulator, *anybody* could do it. Brother, you got some catching it up to do. Not only is it implausible, it's impossible. Start he http://video.google.com/videoplay?do......58033&hl=en And end he http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5FhQc-LJ-o (if vimeo gives you problems) Supplemental FAQ: http://citizeninvestigationteam.com/...plane_hit.html You have to imagine them coming out of that turn, flying tree top level, being able to see or know where the Pentagon is miles away at the bottom of a ridge, treeline, highways, and a high-rise skyline- and then be able to miss the VDOT tower or fly above it, then drop down threading itself through 5 light poles, while missing the VDOT camera mast next to pole 1 and then fly low and level just a few feet above the lawn, skimming on it's belly into the first floor. That on it's face is implausible, the above evidence based presentations show it is IMPOSSIBLE. Hani wasn't piloting that plane. eom |
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