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Old May 25th 06, 04:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:


WSI downlinked weather displayed on a Garmin MX20 moving map: Will never
display the lightning data now offered by WSI, thanks to the feud between
these two companies.


Ouch. This is bad for all of us, as there is virtually no competition for
WxWorx/Garmin.


XM/AviDyne


As I said: virtually no competition.

Avidyne has no line of NAV/COM/GPS boxes, nor does it make portables.
Avidyne, it seems to me, also lags Garmin's technology in PFDs and
MFDs--Garmin now has an integrated autopilot. Cessna, Mooney and Raytheon
all chose Garmin over Avidyne. It is ominous for Avidyne that Columbia
Aircraft now offers Garmin as an option.

Garmin is just flat beating the crap out of its competitors in all GA
segments, gobbling up market share and setting prices levels. This is as it
should be, of course, but its disappointing (and costly) to us consumers that
B/K, Lowrance, Avidyne, etc. seem unable to catch up.

As for WSI, they are getting beaten in the marketplace too by WxWorx, which
made the key alliances while WSI slept.

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Dan
C-172RG at BFM


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Old May 25th 06, 04:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Sam Spade" wrote:


There is a real chance consumers will react to both with a big yawn.

Home videotape recording was a revolutionary product that everyone wanted.
On the other hand, the new DVD formats offer so small an increment in
display quality over a good 480-P player on an HDTV screen, I think few
people will care enough to upgrade. At least they can afford to wait and
see which new format survives.


Once you see a Hi Def DVD properly connected to a compliant HDV set, you
won't consider the difference between that and up-converted 480P, to be a
"yawn."


I have seen it. It looks great to me: I want one. But it's not so
sensational that everyone will want it, as they did with home video
recorder/players. My daughter, a typical low-tech consumer, said she didn't
see what the big deal was.

I'll bet you that consumers will sit on the fence long enough waiting for
prices to come down that either Blu-Ray or HD DVD will die quickly; maybe
they'll even wait long enough that both will flop.

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Dan
C-172RG at BFM


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Old May 25th 06, 04:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Peter R." wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

That's their partner. What's the fascination with WSI? Or is it something
you dislike about XM?


My fascination with WSI is tied to the fact that I am already a WSI
customer. My preference is to maximize the 5.0 AMU expenditure spent
purchasing and installing the WSI downlink weather receiver two years ago
(back when Garmin and WSI were partners of sorts, too).

Believe me, the thought has crossed my mind several times in ripping the
damn unit out and selling it on eBay, then purchasing the Garmin XM
receiver, but given that WSI is about to change to Sirius satellite
delivery, I am going to wait until the dust settles after the now free WSI
receiver swap later this year.


Well, can you use the L-3 iLink?



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Old May 25th 06, 04:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Whether these particular returns contained destructive turbulence or not
was not something I wanted to test.


Actually, it's not something you EVER want to test. I inadvertently
penetrated a Level 3 once, and would not willingly do so again. My
point is that if you have reliable static discharge data, it's not
something you're testing. You can't have strong convection with water
droplets without having static discharges. It's just not possible. If
the water is there and the static discharges are not, then there's no
convection and penetration is safe. It's just that simple.

My trip wasn't exactly critical either, and I could have deviated an
extra 30 miles and been outside the convective SIGMET. But what's the
point? Deviating around stratiform cloud with rain? Now without
'sferics, I would certainly have deviated. Or maybe not, if I had live
lightning data piped into my cockpit.

Additionally, my point in starting this thread was to question whether it
is really the FSS specialist's job to imply that I am being too
conservative when asking about the colorful radar returns?


I made no comment on that part of your post. I think you made your
point, it's been discussed, and I have nothing to add to it. No, of
course it's not appropriate - but then you get what you pay for.
Pesonally I prefer a self-briefing with DUATS.

Michael

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Old May 25th 06, 06:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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Dan Luke wrote:
"Sam Spade" wrote:


I'll bet you that consumers will sit on the fence long enough waiting for
prices to come down that either Blu-Ray or HD DVD will die quickly; maybe
they'll even wait long enough that both will flop.

There is an awesome amount of industry power behind both formats. It's
like the bullies on the 4th grade playground splitting and fighting each
other instead of the little kids us ;-

There is no difference in quality, unlike Betamax and VHS. So,
whichever one wins will make no difference in that respect.

The big players are being complete fools by not having adopted
standards. Then again, they probably wouldn't have adopted the ATSC
standards had not the over-the-air regulators (such as the FCC) forced
them to do it. As it was, they kicked and screamed long enough that
digital HiDef overtook analog HiDef (for the unending benefit of all of us).

Similar issues are at play with RNAV avionics and MFDs. Unlike VOR and
ILS, which had (and have) an over-the-air component, only the aviation
regulators are involved. And, being high-tech stuff, the aviation cert
folks cannot comprehend it all.
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Old May 26th 06, 01:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.ifr
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"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"Matt Barrow" wrote:


WSI downlinked weather displayed on a Garmin MX20 moving map: Will
never
display the lightning data now offered by WSI, thanks to the feud
between
these two companies.

Ouch. This is bad for all of us, as there is virtually no competition
for WxWorx/Garmin.


XM/AviDyne


As I said: virtually no competition.

Avidyne has no line of NAV/COM/GPS boxes, nor does it make portables.
Avidyne, it seems to me, also lags Garmin's technology in PFDs and
MFDs--Garmin now has an integrated autopilot. Cessna, Mooney and Raytheon
all chose Garmin over Avidyne. It is ominous for Avidyne that Columbia
Aircraft now offers Garmin as an option.

Garmin is just flat beating the crap out of its competitors in all GA
segments, gobbling up market share and setting prices levels. This is as
it should be, of course, but its disappointing (and costly) to us
consumers that B/K, Lowrance, Avidyne, etc. seem unable to catch up.

As for WSI, they are getting beaten in the marketplace too by WxWorx,
which made the key alliances while WSI slept.

Think that's bad...I have a King KLN-94 POS, but at least I have it linked
with an AviDyne 500.


 




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