Swift Boat Veterans For Truth: Are They Going To Sink John Kerry?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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His quoted words in question were not delivered to Congress; he made
that
statement instead on national television:


How do you know that?


Because I read the entire transcript of his testimony and did not find the
bit about him acknowledging that he had himself supposedly committed "war
crimes", which was the subject in question?

According to The Boston Globe he said it before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Then the Globe is wrong. He DID say it, but he said it during an interview
on "Meet the Press", not during his Senate testimony. During his testimony
he was more wishy-washy, though he still managed to indict virtually the
entire leadership chain from company level on up--but his allegations were
all based upon his having bought into the WSI crap, hook, line, and sinker.
If you really want to question his testimony itself, then ask for the
details of that alleged case where he claimed to have been "pinned down in a
ditch while retrieving bodies" bit...sounds like another tall tale from
Kerry, IMO.

Brooks

"Chris Manteuffel" wrote in message
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"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
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snip of stuff I had already posted about, correcting Mr. McNicoll's
wrong attribution


Are you thinking it only is valid if
he did so during his congressional testimony? If that is the case, then
by
the same logic we cannot accept anything he says when not under oath?

No. I was engaging in primary research. And when I could not find it
in the cited work, I asked him for clarification.

Oddly enough, I just did a quick Google and got the answer in about three
minutes--and BTW, I have yet to see the post where you responded (maybe my
newsserver did not catch it, or it got deleted by me along with a slew of
other posts by accident).


As you will note, I posted a correct cite, with complete trancript to
his present day thoughts and authortative cite, a full half a day
before you posted this message
).

Great, then you agree Kerry has indeed made these claims.

Brooks


Chris Manteuffel

In article et,
"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

It's a copy and paste from The Boston Globe site.

'Cuz the Boston Globe is a MUCH more reliable source than the actual
transcripts of the actual meeting where he supposedly actually said this.

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(david raoul derbes) wrote:

As a confirmed liberal, I think John McCain is a fine man. I don't often
agree with his politics, but were he running for president, I can easily
imagine voting for him.

I think the Republicans REALLY dropped the ball on this; if they'd let
McCain run unfettered, I (a lifelong Democrat) would definitely have
voted for him, and they'd have had me feeling all positive about a
Republican for the first time in my life. Heaven forfend that actually
happen.

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...

Oddly enough, I just did a quick Google and got the answer in about three
minutes

Indeed, once I realized that the cite was incorrect, getting a correct
cite was trivial. However, I tend to trust cites provided by other
people, and so I specifically looked for the senate testimony, and
after I read it wanted further clarification.

--and BTW, I have yet to see the post where you responded (maybe my
newsserver did not catch it, or it got deleted by me along with a slew of
other posts by accident).

I have provided the message-id of that post that I made, which should
allow you to find it on your server. If that doesn't work for you,
here it the google reference:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:...ing.google.com

Great, then you agree Kerry has indeed made these claims.

Yes. However, I am not the person who was in this argument before, and
he did not dispute the accuracy of this quote either. All I wanted was
a correct cite for a quote, and when I checked the reference material
the cite turned out to be wrong, so I wanted to get it correct. I am
not trying to get involved in a xposted flamewar at all. The only
issue I brought up was where the cite was. And now that I know that
the Boston Globe got the cite wrong, everything should be clear.

Chris Manteuffel

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(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Bush has come out and asked who ever is responsible for those ads to pull
them.

He asked Kerry to do the same. What are the chances Kerry asks Moveon.org to
stop their slander campaign? How about Michael Moore?


Can anybody objectively demonstrate those ads are slander as has been
the case with the SWBVT ads?



--Mike

From: Michael Wise
Date: 8/24/2004 12:25 PM Central Daylight Time
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In article ,
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Bush has come out and asked who ever is responsible for those ads to pull
them.

He asked Kerry to do the same. What are the chances Kerry asks Moveon.org
to
stop their slander campaign? How about Michael Moore?


Can anybody objectively demonstrate those ads are slander as has been
the case with the SWBVT ads?



--Mike

No one on either side has been proven to have committed slander.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: David Fritzinger
Date: 8/23/2004 11:51 PM Central Daylight Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"david raoul derbes" wrote in message
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Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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These ads that do little but lie are going to destroy Bush by
portraying
Bush as an immoral slanderer.


Why would that be? Bush has nothing to do with those ads.

Bush _himself_, perhaps. Bush's _organization_ had plenty to
do with them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/po...n/20swift.html


There's nothing on that page that demonstrates Bush's _organization_ had
anything to do with those ads.

No, just lots of Bush friends were involved.

--
Dave Fritzinger

And lots of kerry's friends are involved with anti Bush ads. Do you see kerry
condemning them?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"Michael Wise" wrote in message
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In article ,
(BUFDRVR) wrote:

Bush has come out and asked who ever is responsible for those ads to
pull
them.

He asked Kerry to do the same. What are the chances Kerry asks
Moveon.org to
stop their slander campaign? How about Michael Moore?


Can anybody objectively demonstrate those ads are slander as has been
the case with the SWBVT ads?


Can anybody objectively demonstrate that the SBVT ads are slander?

In article ,
(B2431) wrote:

These ads that do little but lie are going to destroy Bush by
portraying
Bush as an immoral slanderer.


Why would that be? Bush has nothing to do with those ads.

Bush _himself_, perhaps. Bush's _organization_ had plenty to
do with them:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/20/po...n/20swift.html


There's nothing on that page that demonstrates Bush's _organization_ had
anything to do with those ads.

No, just lots of Bush friends were involved.


And lots of kerry's friends are involved with anti Bush ads. Do you see kerry
condemning them?



What's being condemned here is not soft money ads and not negative
ads...and Bush is not being asked to condemn ads just because they are
negative or financed by partisan supporters.

What Bush is being asked to condemn is an ad which is demonstrably false
and obviously deliberately so. The fact that it came from a soft money
group is not relavant.

Got it?


--Mike