Hey, Germany Invented It... Face It

Galland has a right to his opinion- all jet flyers do. There are those
today who would pick foreign aircraft to fly other than our own. But
then again Galland only flew the Me-262... he never flew a Vril-7 or
Haunebu disc, did he?

Yeah, as General in charge of all fighter aircraft, his clearance apparently
didn't reach "Ridiculous", to allow him to even hear about such craft.

What do you think his comments would have been
if he flew those craft?

"I felt as if the devil was pushing!"

They got plenty of single-engine time due to engine failure.

Doesn't mean a thing.

Had they removed the synthetics and weaker materials and
replaced them with what the Germans had wanted to use in the Jumo 004
then they would have gotten excellent results.

sooo, then it wouldnt have been a Jumo 004B, would it? It would have been an
American version that would have been, uhh, better than the German one.
Right...?


BTW, Wright's flight handbook for the Me-262 dated 1946 (an official
document) claims the Me-262 could do Mach 1 in a shallow dive. So who
cares about your engine flame-out comments?

Ever try to go Mach 1 in an aircraft that is unpowered? Hint: Jumo engine pod
designers had no concept of how to spike the shock wave as it entered the
engine. That means, once you get to your critical Mach #, the show is over.

Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.

Quick, somebody call me an ambulance, I think I'm going to have a
stroke!!!

Why can't you invent your own ambulance?


Ahh, yes - the ambulance. Yet another triumph of the Third Reich.

Refer to earlier post, the DB 109-016 was tested in March 1945 at
28,652 lb thrust- the world's greatest jet engine of the time.

Except for some mock up bits, the DB109-016 was never built or ran,
neither did any number of other fairly ambitious designs. But neither
did any number of Allied projects of the same period that were, in their
own way, just as advanced.
The German effort in such was driven by desperation, while the Allies
didn't have the same level of pressure, so could afford to be more
conservative, but certainly had the wherewithal to get advanced/exotic
if they had to.

That Germans were the first to connect some dots in some engineering
which deserves some appropriate historical footnote, but there simply
isn't anything special about the Germans for having done so. It is like
suggesting that Glenn Curtis was "better" than the Wrights for hinged
ailerons instead of wing warping, and that anyone who used ailerons
afterwards was some kind of thief/mental midget for adopting the idea.
Basic physics would have lead anyone to the same conclusion/solutions
for all kinds of stuff, WHEN is simply a matter of circumstance.

"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...

Quick, somebody call me an ambulance

OK, you're an ambulance.

1) Arthur Sack A.S.6: Private circular aircraft, one prototype,
constructed 1944, mostly made of wood with Me-108 cockpit and landing
gear and Argus engine. Flown by Me-163 pilot at Brandis in 1944. A few
hops and crashes due to misplacement of gear, low engine hp, and poor
rear control surfaces. Cut up for firewood. Photos exist- all real and
confirmed.

A simple disc shaped plan form, like any number of other ultra-short
aspect ratio aircraft ideas out of the '30s. Very much not a "UFO" prototypes.

( a lot of silly mostly Sci-Fi style fantasy or, more likely, post war
hoax stuff, though I would concede that there may well have been paper
projects using all kinds of voodoo "science" among the particularly
crackpot fringe of the Nazis)

So Andreas there seems to be a lot of proof that the Nazis were
engaged in disc research throughout the entire war. Many were just
patents and projects but some flew and the most successful are also
the most elusive. As you can see the SS working with Thule/Vril;
forcing Coanda, Schauberger, Schriever, and scientists to perform; and
stealing patents from various nations all played a part in the exotic
disc construction programs.
IMO, the victorious Allies only got the more primitive jet designs
because that is the direction immediate postwar disc programs took. No
equivalent to the RFZ, Vril, or Haunebu series came about until FFX
propulsion became available in the late 80s or early 90s. The supposed
NRO TR-3B ASTRA uses a similar engine to the Thule Triebwerke but is
not a disc- its a black triangle.

Rob

p.s. In the list I did not include the Lippisch disc designs nor the
Hortens because they were strictly postwar studies at the request of
the US.

From: (robert arndt)



Laugh this off Tex. The US captured the DFS 228 rocket recon sailplane
in 1945 and took it back home.

They took the first prototype to England where it was scrapped in 1947. The
second prototype was destroyed before the war ended. Neither ever flew under
their own power or over 23kilofeet. Powered sailplane looking aircraft were
nothing new by WW2. A Soviet man flew from the U.S.S.R. to Alaska in the 1920s
in what would today probably be called a motor-glider. Your country only
adapted other people's ideas to a specific use. Everybody does that.

The aircraft was designed to fly at
(wait for this)... 80,000 ft and carry two Zeiss cameras (IR types
too).
So you think the U-2 came from US sources... uh, no. The funny thing
is the DFS even had a pressurized escape pod, something the U-2
didn't.

Which is why your airplane never would have made it to 80kilofeet.

And then of course is the German radar-absorbing paint
"Schornsteinfeger"- a carbon paint to scatter radar that was the
inspiration for US Ironball paint applied to the U-2. I agree it
wasn't that effective for that time period, but the US got the idea
from the Germans.

The Brits and the Americans had already figured out the carbon would not work.

Germans had stealth first- a fact you cannot deny. The Go-229 flew in
Feb 1945, a hell of a long time before the B-2.
Still laughing?

Rob

Once again, flying wing designs were flying in glider form in the late 1880s in
your country, England, France and the U.S. with varying degrees of success.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: (robert arndt)

Can't you read, he said the engines BEYOND the Jumo 004B- the disc
engines, which created rotating electromagnetic fields, very similar
to the suspected engines of the black craft flying today... only the
Nazis seemed to have got that engine working in the '40s instead of
the '80s, '90s, 00's(?).

Rob


Prove it and don't tell us it's classified.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Invented It... Face It


In article ,
(robert arndt) wrote:

Art Kramer in a German thread and NO mention of the B-26 Marauder?
Quick, somebody call me an ambulance, I think I'm going to have a
stroke!!!

Why can't you invent your own ambulance?

Haven't you heard? The ambulance was invented in his country by the Waffen SS
then modified to a horse drawn version and sent back in time to the Napoleonic
Wars using a Nazi designed and covered up by the U.S.A. time machine that only
he knows about.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

robert arndt wrote:
engines, which created rotating electromagnetic fields, very similar
to the suspected engines of the black craft flying today... only the

Sigh, Nicola Tesla developed the concept of rotating electromagnetic
fields years before WW2, and they are the basis for cheap electric
motors world wide. Look up, synchronous AC motors. Nothing mysterious
or uber-tech about it.

The only bad part about this is that Tesla had a bunch of crackpot
ideas too, so it's hard to seperate the real contributions he
made from the more fanciful stuff.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

That Germans were the first to connect some dots in some engineering
which deserves some appropriate historical footnote, but there simply
isn't anything special about the Germans for having done so. It is like
suggesting that Glenn Curtis was "better" than the Wrights for hinged
ailerons instead of wing warping, and that anyone who used ailerons
afterwards was some kind of thief/mental midget for adopting the idea.
Basic physics would have lead anyone to the same conclusion/solutions
for all kinds of stuff, WHEN is simply a matter of circumstance.




Yeah its rather silly and intellectually lazy, to assume we, or anyone else,
would have never thought of a high altitude recon aircraft, and its only
because the germans were working on a project like that, that we have the U-2.

But then considering how we have to hear here about how the Germans flew first,
how they went supersonic first, how it must have been some fluke that Germany
was defeated, how they have had super secret UFOs, etc etc..

There is being proud of your heritage and ancestry, and then there is just
being plain delusional too.





Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)