Another Botched use of runways

Is it me or is the FAA about one incident away from a
disaster worse than Lexington?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/31/mis....ap/index.html

Notice the number of passengers on board

Now look what happens when you land or take off on the wrong
runway or use a taxi way

You hit **** sometimes

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/sq006/photo.shtml

Where was ATCT? How can the tower not see a jet is lined up
for a taxiway landing?

I wonder if all the experienced white males over 40 have
been run off from this location also by the Anti-White male
racist FAA???

"Skunk" wrote in message
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Is it me or is the FAA about one incident away from a disaster worse than
Lexington?


Please explain how someone in the ATC cab, maybe a half-mile away and
off-axis, would be able to tell an aircraft is 100 feet left/right of final?
This is like blaming the mall security guard when someone dings your car
door in the parking lot.

--

Scott

"tscottme" wrote in message
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Please explain how someone in the ATC cab, maybe a half-mile away and
off-axis, would be able to tell an aircraft is 100 feet left/right of
final?

He doesn't know. He's an idiot.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"tscottme" wrote in message
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Please explain how someone in the ATC cab, maybe a half-mile away and
off-axis, would be able to tell an aircraft is 100 feet left/right of
final?


He doesn't know. He's an idiot.



You are the idiot sir

1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit
2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on
the taxiway what good are they?
3. The pilot(s) should notice
4. The pilots on the ground should notice
5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture
of a weird approach on radar

ALL of the above however requires a human being who gives a ****

In todays America nobody is at fault huh?

Just point blame don't accept fault or fix the problem. That
is the long term result of dumbing down and filling ATCT
cabs and the FAA and cockpits with unqualified minorities
and women.

A cluster **** in Air Traffic control

America is on her way marching toward a society like a
Banana Republic. One Politically Correct bite at a time.

Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride

Go ahead. Shoot me I am the racist messenger. If it makes
you feel better.

"Skunk" wrote in message
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You are the idiot sir


Am I? What have I written that you believe to be idiotic?



1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit


Can the ILS in the cockpit be seen from the ATCT?



2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway
what good are they?


No good at all. And what good are pilots if they can't see the aircraft is
lined up with a taxiway instead of a runway. In the name of aviation safety
we must eliminate ATCTs and pilots.landing incorrectly on



3. The pilot(s) should notice


Yes, but you didn't blame the pilots, you blamed the FAA.



4. The pilots on the ground should notice


What pilots on the ground should notice?



5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird
approach on radar


Why? Have you ever seen BRITE radar? Have you ever been in an ATCT? Have
you been to an airport?



ALL of the above however requires a human being who gives a ****

In todays America nobody is at fault huh?

Just point blame don't accept fault or fix the problem. That is the long
term result of dumbing down and filling ATCT cabs and the FAA and cockpits
with unqualified minorities and women.

A cluster **** in Air Traffic control

America is on her way marching toward a society like a Banana Republic.
One Politically Correct bite at a time.

Hold on it's going to be a bumpy ride

Go ahead. Shoot me I am the racist messenger. If it makes you feel better.


No, you're not a messenger, you're just an idiot.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:11:07 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Skunk" wrote in message
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4. The pilots on the ground should notice


What pilots on the ground should notice?

The ones who mistakenly pulled out in front of the landing aircraft?



5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird
approach on radar


Why? Have you ever seen BRITE radar? Have you ever been in an ATCT? Have
you been to an airport?


I do have to admit that on one training flight in actual to Pontiac
(PTK) as I was coming down the glide slope fighting a 90 degree cross
wind that seemed to counter every correction the tower did come on
and ask if I planned on landing on the taxiway, or was I going to use
the runway. I replied I was kinda hoping for the big one on the left
with all the marks painted on it if the wind would cooperate. When we
broke out pretty close to DH I was very close to being lined up. I had
to be with as sensitive as those needles get that low. :-))

OTOH that is more than a bit different than trying to see an airplane
100 feet left or right of centerline from the cab.

snip
Go ahead. Shoot me I am the racist messenger. If it makes you feel better.


No, you're not a messenger, you're just an idiot.

Certainly a bit...aw...never mind.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Skunk wrote:




You are the idiot sir

1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit
2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway
what good are they?
3. The pilot(s) should notice
4. The pilots on the ground should notice
5. The BRITE display in the cab should paint a weird picture of a weird
approach on radar

Obviously, you are not an aviation professional or, if you are, you are
incompetent. KEWR Runway 29 does not have a straight-in instrument
approach procedure of any type, much less an ILS.

As they say in court, you are assuming facts not in evidence.

I can understand why they replaced you.

Skunk wrote:

In todays America nobody is at fault huh?

um... The pilot that's flying? G

"Skunk" wrote in message
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1. The ILS would be off in the cockpit
Yes, and this is the PF's (Pilot Flying) problem. Only if the controller is
giving the pilot a SAR "talkdown" (very rare) would he be using any system
that allows him to see accurately where the aircraft is relative to the
runway centreline.

2. If the ATCT can't see an aircraft landing incorrectly on the taxiway
what good are they?
Remember the Tower is generally off to the side of the runway - often by
quite a way. Thus, until an aircraft is relatively close to the runway, it's
pretty hard to picture where an aircraft is relative to the centreline.

3. The pilot(s) should notice
Yes, they should. Landing in the right place, in the right configuration,
and at the right speed is the job of the pilots.

4. The pilots on the ground should notice
They _might_ notice, but the priority of the pilots of any aircraft on the
ground is to make their way around the airport safely, down the right routes
and without banging into anything or anybody. Taxying, though apparently
easy, is actually one of the places where plenty of accidents occur through
complacency. And let's face it, if aircraft on the ground were having
accidents because their crew were too busy looking into the sky, you'd be
moaning about that too. It may well be that someone waiting on a taxiway
might have been gazing into the air and thought: "Hang about, his approach
looks a bit weird", but (a) at an airfield with multiple runways the
instinct might be that the landing aircraft is heading into a different
runway. And even if you do choose to say anything, it might take a while to
get a word in edgeways if the frequency is busy.

In todays America nobody is at fault huh?
Errr, no. If a pilot is told which bit of ground to land on, and then lands
on the wrong bit, then it's his (or her) fault. Simple as that. Go surf the
NTSB incident report archive and you'll find plenty of reports where blame
is attributed - to engineers, to controllers, to pilots, to wherever it's
due.

DC

"Skunk" wrote in message
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I wonder if all the experienced white males over 40 have been run off from
this location also by the Anti-White male racist FAA???

Your sentence, as you've punctuated it, is asking us if that's what you
wonder. So I suppose the answer is: yes, given your tediously obsessive
bigotry, you probably do wonder that.