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Mike Marron wrote: Chad Irby wrote: Mike Marron wrote: You keep conveniently snipping away all the planes such as the F-111, Su-22, Su-24, B-1, Mig-27, Tornado. Why is that? Because they all had their own problems, and the point was that experimental and/or new aircraft *crash*. The F-111 was near-legendary for development problems, for example. The B-1 had problems for *years*. One_BIG_difference between all those swing-wing aircraft I mentioned above vis a vis your beloved tilt-rotor Osprey -- the swing wing aircraft have been OPERATIONAL for *decades* (you do understand how long a decade" is, no?) whereas tilt-rotor designs such as your beloved Osprey have NOT been operational and are still NOT operational to this day. So what? The *point*, that you keep missing, was that at similar points in their development, they had problems, some as bad (or worse) then the Osprey. Whether you realize it or not, Irby, you've done LOST your "case" since, despite the fact that tilt-rotors have been around since the early fifties...you have yet to provide a single example of an OPERATIONAL tilt-rotor military -OR- cvilian aircraft (V-22 or otherwise) in use *anywhere.* So your whole argument against tiltrotors is that nobody has ever managed to build a good enough one before? All-wing aircraft had been tested for years and years before the B-2, but that was the first operational one. So by your argument, it never worked, right? -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Chad Irby wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: You keep conveniently snipping away all the planes such as the F-111, Su-22, Su-24, B-1, Mig-27, Tornado. Why is that? Because they all had their own problems, and the point was that experimental and/or new aircraft *crash*. The F-111 was near-legendary for development problems, for example. The B-1 had problems for *years*. One_BIG_difference between all those swing-wing aircraft I mentioned above vis a vis your beloved tilt-rotor Osprey -- the swing wing aircraft have been OPERATIONAL for *decades* (you do understand how long a decade" is, no?) whereas tilt-rotor designs such as your beloved Osprey have NOT been operational and are still NOT operational to this day. So what? So what? So WHAT???!!#$%!! DOH! The *point*, that you keep missing, was that at similar points in their development, they had problems, some as bad (or worse) then the Osprey. Once again, the point that YOU keep missing is that variable-geometry aircraft have long ago managed to overcome their "development problems" whereas tilt-rotor aircraft have NOT managed to overcome their "development problems" in_spite_of the fact that tilt-rotor aircraft designs have been around since the EARLY 1950'S!!!! Beam me up Scotty!!! |
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Mike Marron wrote: Once again, the point that YOU keep missing is that variable-geometry aircraft have long ago managed to overcome their "development problems" whereas tilt-rotor aircraft have NOT managed to overcome their "development problems" in_spite_of the fact that tilt-rotor aircraft designs have been around since the EARLY 1950'S!!!! You're really focused on the "we've never built one before, so it's impssible" argument, aren't you? -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Chad Irby wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: Once again, the point that YOU keep missing is that variable-geometry aircraft have long ago managed to overcome their "development problems" whereas tilt-rotor aircraft have NOT managed to overcome their "development problems" in_spite_of the fact that tilt-rotor aircraft designs have been around since the EARLY 1950'S!!!! You're really focused on the "we've never built one before, so it's impssible" argument, aren't you? Interesting you should mention that. These days I'm mostly focused on flying (just added "glider" to my commercial/multi-engine/instrument certificate today). You can continue to focus on your keyboard/monitor, if you wish.... |
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Mike Marron wrote: Chad Irby wrote: You're really focused on the "we've never built one before, so it's impssible" argument, aren't you? Interesting you should mention that. These days I'm mostly focused on flying (just added "glider" to my commercial/multi-engine/instrument certificate today). That's nice. Has nothing to do with the point, but I'm (honestly!) happy for you. You can continue to focus on your keyboard/monitor, if you wish.... Well, aside from the photography. And the bicycling. And the other hobbies. And especially not after I get that motorcycle I'm looking for (a friend of a friend has a very nice old Moto Guzzi that I can pick up for a song). -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Chad Irby wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: Interesting you should mention that. These days I'm mostly focused on flying (just added "glider" to my commercial/multi-engine/instrument certificate today). That's nice. Has nothing to do with the point, but I'm (honestly!) happy for you. Well you keep going off on your "bloody" tangential tirades so I just figured "if ya' can't beat 'em..." You can continue to focus on your keyboard/monitor, if you wish.... Well, aside from the photography. And the bicycling. And the other hobbies. And especially not after I get that motorcycle I'm looking for (a friend of a friend has a very nice old Moto Guzzi that I can pick up for a song). Sounds like we have similiar interests (except at best, I'm just a mediocre photographer). IIRC, you're in the Orlando area, no? Tell ya what, if you're interested I'll fly my pterodactyl "bird of prey" over to Orlando from Clearwater someday (or you can drive over to Clearwater) and we can fly and shoot some pictures/video in my trike if ya want. It would sure beat the hell outta' arguing on Usenet as it's such a "bloody" waste of time, agree? Feel free to call or email any time: 727-443-6951, pegasus912 at tampabay dot rr dot com. |
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Mike Marron wrote: Sounds like we have similiar interests (except at best, I'm just a mediocre photographer). IIRC, you're in the Orlando area, no? Tell ya what, if you're interested I'll fly my pterodactyl "bird of prey" over to Orlando from Clearwater someday (or you can drive over to Clearwater) and we can fly and shoot some pictures/video in my trike if ya want. It would sure beat the hell outta' arguing on Usenet as it's such a "bloody" waste of time, agree? I live about a half mile from Orlando Executive. If I still have my medium format by then, you might get some *good* pics out of it. Feel free to call or email any time: 727-443-6951, pegasus912 at tampabay dot rr dot com. We'll see how timing works out the spring sometime... -- cirby at cfl.rr.com Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations. Slam on brakes accordingly. |
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Chad Irby wrote:
Mike Marron wrote: Sounds like we have similiar interests (except at best, I'm just a mediocre photographer). IIRC, you're in the Orlando area, no? Tell ya what, if you're interested I'll fly my pterodactyl "bird of prey" over to Orlando from Clearwater someday (or you can drive over to Clearwater) and we can fly and shoot some pictures/video in my trike if ya want. It would sure beat the hell outta' arguing on Usenet as it's such a "bloody" waste of time, agree? I live about a half mile from Orlando Executive. Orlando Exec huh? Shot many an ILS into ORL's Rwy 7 as a charter jockey in Cessna 210's. Interesting approach because at the outer marker you're within spitting distance of the tall buildings downtown as you soar directly over the tops of the thousands of poor slobs trapped in gridlock on the East-West expressway and I-4. If I still have my medium format by then, you might get some *good* pics out of it. OK. I've got tons of halfway decent pics already but could always use some *good* pics. What I'd really like is to have someone like yourself make some cool videos that I could convert to mpegs and share with family and friends. Feel free to call or email any time: 727-443-6951, pegasus912 at tampabay dot rr dot com. We'll see how timing works out the spring sometime... 44 days and counting to Sun 'n Fun 2004.... |
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Harry Andreas wrote:
In article . net, "Thomas Schoene" wrote: The 27mm has been replaced by a 25mm Gatling. And the gun pack goes on a conformal stealthy belly pod, not in the weapon bay. The gun stays in the right wing root for the A model. For planes that have to use an add-on gun, it goes under the belly, not in the weapon bay. Happy now? -- Tom Schoene Replace "invalid" with "net" to e-mail "If brave men and women never died, there would be nothing special about bravery." -- Andy Rooney (attributed) |
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message nk.net... John Keeney wrote: "Kevin Brooks" wrote in message news capability (what the heck is "S/VTOL"?) to allow them to both provide air An olden days description of a plane that could do Short take-offs or landings or Vertical take-offs or landings. The usual abbreviation for this was the other way around--V/STOL. Yep, usual was V/STOL or VSTOL as you say. There was some use of S/VTOL (or SVTOL, it *was* a long time ago) though. I have a feeling they represented some difference but I'm at a loss to say what it would have been unless it was a preferred mode bias. |
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