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Rod Machado's New PPL Manual
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques
wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? RELEASE: 99-17 GENERAL AVIATION TO GET A NASA-INDUSTRY 'LIFT' In the not-too-distant future, there may be a virtual "highway in the sky," as the average person could take to the sky in small, safe and affordable, easy-to-fly personal aircraft, traveling four times the speed of today's cars. NASA has selected a team of industry partners to help develop the highway in the sky system, a key element of the government- industry effort to revitalize general aviation in the United States. Development costs will be shared equally between NASA and the seven-member industry team, with both contributing approximately $3 million. Team members are Avidyne Corp., Lexington, MA; AvroTec Inc., Portland, OR; Lancair, Redmond, OR; Raytheon Aircraft, Wichita, KS; Rockwell Collins, Cedar Rapids, IA; Seagull Technologies, Los Gatos, CA; and AlliedSignal, Olathe, KS. The team, with AvroTec as team lead and Avidyne as technical project manager, has 2 1/2 years to complete hardware and software development of a totally new concept for presenting critical, flight-path guidance information to the pilot. Dubbed "highway in the sky," the cockpit display system includes a computer-drawn highway that the pilot follows to a preprogrammed destination. The highway is drawn on a highly intuitive, low-cost flat panel display -- the primary flight display of the future -- that will displace decades-old "steam gauge" instrumentation. The system also includes a multi-function display of position navigation, terrain map, weather and air traffic information. In addition, digital (datalink) radios will send and receive flight data, and a solid-state attitude and heading reference system will replace gyroscopes. Together, the displays and other equipment will provide intuitive situational awareness and enough information for a pilot to perform safely, with reduced workload, in nearly all weather conditions. In addition to transforming cockpits, the technology developed by the team will redefine the relationship between pilots and air traffic control and fundamentally change the way future general aviation pilots fly. This technology is expected to significantly increase freedom, safety and ease-of-flying by providing pilots with affordable, direct access to information needed for future "free-flight" air traffic control systems. Pilots will have the ability to safely determine their routes, speeds and proximity to dangerous weather, terrain and other airplanes. The team will work toward flight certification of the highway in the sky system around the year 2001. This will be the first attempt to certify such a system using affordable commercial "off-the-shelf" computer technology in aircraft. Development of the highway in the sky system has been fostered by the Advanced General Aviation Transports Experiment (AGATE) -- a consortium of more than 70 members from industry, universities, the Federal Aviation Administration and other government agencies. All seven highway in the sky team members are AGATE members. AGATE was created by NASA in 1994 to develop affordable new technology -- as well as industry standards and certification methods -- for airframe, cockpit, flight training systems and airspace infrastructure for next-generation single pilot, four- to-six seat, near all-weather light airplanes. Along with a parallel program -- the General Aviation Propulsion program for development of revolutionary engines -- AGATE is providing industry partners with technologies leading to a small aircraft transportation system in the early 21st century. These investments support the national general aviation "roadmap" goal to "enable doorstep-to-destination travel at four times highway speeds to virtually all of the nation's suburban, rural and remote communities." - end - H. Keith Henry Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA (Phone: 757/864-6120/24) Mary Nolan AvroTec, Inc., Portland, OR (Phone: 503/221-1220) |
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Rod Machado's New PPL Manual
On Mar 24, 7:01 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Most people are only comfortable flying along with a herd. Try diverting the typical 737 load into the requisite 30 Bonanzas and hear the howls on the tarmac --" I have to fly in THAT!?" It sounds good, but I think it's an unrealistic expectation. Dan Mc |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Sounds more to me like NASA coming up with another excuse for spending a ton of our tax dollars :-) What I have in mind is a bit more achievable; manuals written so that they don't intimidate the section of the market that doesn't respond positively to an " engineering approach" to ground school, and CFI's who come to realize the value of learning how to project complicated subjects in a manner that makes a housewife as comfortable in the learning process as an engineer. -- Dudley Henriques |
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT), Dan
wrote: On Mar 24, 7:01 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Most people are only comfortable flying along with a herd. Try diverting the typical 737 load into the requisite 30 Bonanzas and hear the howls on the tarmac --" I have to fly in THAT!?" You'll have to explain that to Dudley. It sounds good, but I think it's an unrealistic expectation. Dan Mc The fact that the 1994 prediction was for Free Flight to be implemented by 2001 seems to support that opinion. |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote: On Mar 24, 7:01 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Most people are only comfortable flying along with a herd. Try diverting the typical 737 load into the requisite 30 Bonanzas and hear the howls on the tarmac --" I have to fly in THAT!?" You'll have to explain that to Dudley. Don't be an imbecile. It sounds good, but I think it's an unrealistic expectation. Dan Mc The fact that the 1994 prediction was for Free Flight to be implemented by 2001 seems to support that opinion. -- Dudley Henriques |
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On Mar 24, 6:15 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote:
Ah.motorcycle racing. Tried it once. I used to ride a lot and had quite That was the end of my bike racing :-)) This is true of nealry every race sport -- You realize quickly that the potential for harm is quite high, and Monday morning you need functioning limbs to earn the $ to ride again. I don't think you mean that we need to add to the ranks of the casual pilot -- just ease the transition from "jus lookin" to pilot, right? I little bit of both actually. We need new blood for sure, and the transition into GA could be made more attractive. -- Dudley Henriques I agree that it could be made more attractive, but I think it would be disingenuous to promise absolute safety, minimal training, and immediate gratification (such as car driving). The Cessna ads of the late 60s early 70s were bent this way. Even the names "Skywagon" were meant to equate the airplane to the car. We'll need total failsafe automation and complete dependence on it before Joe Average flies with as little thought as we drive. I think that's a combination of systems far beyond today's capabilities and psychological assent far beyond what most will accede to today. That said, In my very humble opinion -- The biggest problem with primary flight training is the lack of money and focus -- so many FBOs are run on a shoestring (or a loss) trying to run charter and a school. The Big Schools are all focused on airline wannabes and require moving to their location for an extended period of time. The Cessna Pilot Center concept was a good one a while back, but in my region it's gone the way of Sinclair gas. Plus, it was focused on selling one brand of airplane. Not everyone wants to learn how to drive at the Plymouth Car Center. We haven't done a good job at providing an easily understood transition from "I think I might want to do that" to new Private Pilot in most FBOs. Caveat -- this is based on anecdotal evidence on a limited sampling, but based on conversations with others, it's not so unusual. Consider what happens to the guy or girl that walks into the local FBO -- Maybe someone is there, maybe not. If so "How can I help you?" is offered, but the person doesn't even know how to reply, "Well, I'm thinking about, maybe..." "Private Pilot Training? Ok, you'll need to talk to Cal -- I'm a double I." "Oh yeah, umm.. ok." "Come back Saturday -- Cal works all the discoveries and students." "Discoveries? Students?" Our unlikely candidate thinks, "I'm a successful XYZ -- here I'm a student?" He/she then drives home and orders a Jet Ski. In a car dealership, the guy in charge of trucks will walk you over or -better yet -- page the guy in charge of cars and make sure you talk to him/her. Please -- before you flame .. I'm sure there are plenty of FBOs/Pilot Schools that do it all perfectly. But apparently they are the minority or we wouldn't have a shrinking GA population. Dan Mc |
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Dan wrote:
On Mar 24, 6:15 pm, Dudley Henriques wrote: Ah.motorcycle racing. Tried it once. I used to ride a lot and had quite That was the end of my bike racing :-)) This is true of nealry every race sport -- You realize quickly that the potential for harm is quite high, and Monday morning you need functioning limbs to earn the $ to ride again. I don't think you mean that we need to add to the ranks of the casual pilot -- just ease the transition from "jus lookin" to pilot, right? I little bit of both actually. We need new blood for sure, and the transition into GA could be made more attractive. -- Dudley Henriques I agree that it could be made more attractive, but I think it would be disingenuous to promise absolute safety, minimal training, and immediate gratification (such as car driving). The Cessna ads of the late 60s early 70s were bent this way. Even the names "Skywagon" were meant to equate the airplane to the car. We'll need total failsafe automation and complete dependence on it before Joe Average flies with as little thought as we drive. I think that's a combination of systems far beyond today's capabilities and psychological assent far beyond what most will accede to today. That said, In my very humble opinion -- The biggest problem with primary flight training is the lack of money and focus -- so many FBOs are run on a shoestring (or a loss) trying to run charter and a school. The Big Schools are all focused on airline wannabes and require moving to their location for an extended period of time. The Cessna Pilot Center concept was a good one a while back, but in my region it's gone the way of Sinclair gas. Plus, it was focused on selling one brand of airplane. Not everyone wants to learn how to drive at the Plymouth Car Center. We haven't done a good job at providing an easily understood transition from "I think I might want to do that" to new Private Pilot in most FBOs. Caveat -- this is based on anecdotal evidence on a limited sampling, but based on conversations with others, it's not so unusual. Consider what happens to the guy or girl that walks into the local FBO -- Maybe someone is there, maybe not. If so "How can I help you?" is offered, but the person doesn't even know how to reply, "Well, I'm thinking about, maybe..." "Private Pilot Training? Ok, you'll need to talk to Cal -- I'm a double I." "Oh yeah, umm.. ok." "Come back Saturday -- Cal works all the discoveries and students." "Discoveries? Students?" Our unlikely candidate thinks, "I'm a successful XYZ -- here I'm a student?" He/she then drives home and orders a Jet Ski. In a car dealership, the guy in charge of trucks will walk you over or -better yet -- page the guy in charge of cars and make sure you talk to him/her. Please -- before you flame .. I'm sure there are plenty of FBOs/Pilot Schools that do it all perfectly. But apparently they are the minority or we wouldn't have a shrinking GA population. Dan Mc No need to flame. In fact what you are saying here is simply restating what I've been saying. I'm in no way even implying anything about "guarantees" in GA. What I believe is needed is a revamping and cleanup of the way we handle the part of the potential student market we are missing by the factors I have mentioned and those you are mentioning as well. What's needed is an added approach to the manuals issue, which I believe Machado is addressing (filling a gap) and as you have said, a general cleanup in the way business is conducted by the industry. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote in news:HuydnVcI- : Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:34:32 -0700 (PDT), Dan wrote: On Mar 24, 7:01 pm, Larry Dighera wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:47:35 -0400, Dudley Henriques wrote: GA was never meant for test pilots and engineers alone. If GA is to flourish in the future, it will have to attract more "average" people into it's ranks. Isn't that the philosophy of NASA's Free Flight concept? Most people are only comfortable flying along with a herd. Try diverting the typical 737 load into the requisite 30 Bonanzas and hear the howls on the tarmac --" I have to fly in THAT!?" You'll have to explain that to Dudley. Don't be an imbecile. Would you tell a bird not to fly? Bertie Being a stubborn character, I'd probably try, and most likely get the same result :-)) -- Dudley Henriques |
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message ... Google search for (humor in teaching) reveals 2,040,000 hits. I didn't read them all, but I believe all are positive. Putting "humor in teaching" in quotes, reveals 11,400 hits, same result I believe. So what, a Google search for "home made dog ****" reveals 2,270,000 hits. Talking bull**** reveals 275,000. Probably more applicable to your situation. |
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