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  #11  
Old November 10th 09, 07:38 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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On Nov 10, 12:49*pm, "Martin X. Moleski, SJ"
wrote:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:40:06 -0800 (PST), Dudley Henriques wrote in
:

What's concerning me is ... how
someone can access the data and path necessary to have a post appear
with my name appearing as the poster in the thread hierarchy to the
point where someone can actually see my name as the poster and click
on the profile link to see my regular profile. For all practical
purposes, this would appear to be a post from me personally and I need
to find out how this person is accomplishing this.


They just have to lie about who the post is "from."

The software protocol that runs Usenet (NNTP) does
not check the authenticity of the "from" field. *Nor
does Google cross-check the authenticity of a post
that says it was "from" .

... can someone explain exactly how
a person can access this forum having my name and profile appear as
though the post came from me?


Once the post with the lying "from" field is injected into
any old server, Google archives it, finds your e-mail in the
from field, and sets it up so that the post is associated
with your profile.

I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
through links to my profile?


Google doesn't check authenticity. *It merely reports correlations.
It can't tell the difference between the real you and the counterfeit
you.

Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
Groups?


You may ask Google to remove the counterfeit posts from their
archives. *They say there is a removal tool available to you
if you are logged in to Google Groups:

http://groups.google.com/group/google-groups-guide/web/google-groups-faq

Is this even a Google Groups problem?


Not really. *It is a huge loophole in NNTP and not one that
is liable to be closed any time soon (that I know of--I am
not involved in that part of the system).

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Marty
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Thanks Martin. Appreciate the feedback.
DH
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Old November 10th 09, 07:45 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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On Nov 10, 1:30*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
Dudley Henriques wrote:
I understand someone could open an account on one of the free servers
using my name and have taken the steps necessary along those lines,
but how can their posts appear on Google Groups allowing access
through links to my profile.


Here's what I believe is happening:

Google Groups uses only the content of the "From:" header to automatically
associate posts to user profiles. So when someone places your name and e-
mail address in the header of their posts, then no matter what Usenet
service provider they posted from (and irrespective of all the other post's
headers) the Google Groups software will associate that post with your
Google Groups account.

So the Google Groups web site software displays your user profile when
someone (like you or I) clicks on the "View profile" of the forged post.
Fortunately that does nothing to compromise your Google account.

Is there any way at all this can be stopped by notifying Google
Groups? Is this even a Google Groups problem?


It's a problem with the user interface design of Google Groups that isn't
likely to be fixed since they probably don't consider it broken. I suspect
they wrote their software the way they did so that even if a poster changes
Usenet service providers, then so long as that user continues to post under
the same name and/or e-mail address, then their archives will associate all
posts to the same user profile. Sometimes that reasonable, sometimes not
(as in forgeries.)

In one sense, the Google Groups programming assumption reinforces the case
that such forgeries have the potential to be libelous and if persistent and
serious enough, might rate legal pursuit. Depends on whether the perp makes
the cost/benefit ratio low enough to pursue for you or anyone else so
targeted.

I've seen enough of the mismanagement (or deliberately criminal
management?) of x-privat.org and the owner's slow and non-responses to
complaints (and failures to blacklist repeated perps and failure to put in
place better registration procedures) that I think it would be reasonable
to target that provider. I think that from a legal strategy point of view,
it might be worthwhile to consider pointing out to the owner of the x-
privat.org machines that such libelous posts are originating on _their_
machines and they are responsible for said libel until they can prove
otherwise. In other words, if they aren't keeping records of who is posting
through their machine they have to be considered the authors of those
posts.


Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
have.
As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
close eye on it to see if it expands.
Dudley
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Old November 10th 09, 08:31 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Logajan
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Dudley Henriques wrote:
Thanks Jim. I'm considering at this point just how far I want to go
with this. I have considerable resources but so far no harm has been
done other than aggravation. I have some fairly heavy police and legal
resources available overseas in both the UK and Switzerland that have
been made aware of what's happening. I've given them what data I
have.


I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service, but
probably doesn't realize (or care) that he's already left trails to him
elsewhere. In fact the more service providers he uses, the easier it gets
to nail him.

As I say, nothing so far but harmless troll behavior but I'm keeping a
close eye on it to see if it expands.


Trolling literally doesn't pay so I don't understand why anyone bothers.
And why play with libel only for spite? Fundamentally irrational.
  #14  
Old November 10th 09, 08:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Nov 10, 11:31*am, Jim Logajan wrote:
I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service,


Read the headers too fast - he's now posting from a Swiss (ch) not
Chinese (cn) provider.
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Old November 10th 09, 09:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Lee Ann Faulk
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:59:23 -0800 (PST), Jim Logajan wrote:

Injection-Info: 12g2000pri.googlegroups.com; posting-host=207.172.126.29;
posting-account=cwneDAkAAACfknJM_i61589Q9qmC6yDw


WTF that's Henriques!
  #16  
Old November 10th 09, 09:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:58:10 -0600, brian whatcott wrote:

Dudley Henriques wrote:
...
I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
my name to post here on this forum. It's no big deal really as I'm
sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
and the forgeries....


Dudley Henriques


It might be useful to find out if the troll in question
is left or right-handed.

Brian W


Huh?
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  #17  
Old November 10th 09, 09:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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On Nov 10, 2:59*pm, Jim Logajan wrote:
On Nov 10, 11:31*am, Jim Logajan wrote:

I see the idiot has shifted to forging posts via a Chinese service,


Read the headers too fast - he's now posting from a Swiss (ch) not
Chinese (cn) provider.


Yep Zurich area.
DH
  #18  
Old November 10th 09, 10:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
snip
as I'm
sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
and the forgeries.


I have and hope to continue to read, enjoy and correspond with you here. I
assure you I have no trouble separating class from chaff.

snip

The Internet has been this way for a long time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

Happy landings,


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Old November 10th 09, 10:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_2_]
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On Nov 10, 4:05*pm, "Private" wrote:
"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message

...
snip
*as I'm

sure any of you who matter recognize the difference between my posts
and the forgeries.


I have and hope to continue to read, enjoy and correspond with you here. *I
assure you I have no trouble separating class from chaff.

snip

The Internet has been this way for a long time.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

Happy landings,


Thank you very much..............I think :-)) Not sure who anyone is
any longer :-)) To be quite frank with you I'm leaning heavily at this
point on giving Usenet a rest for a while. No big deal for sure or
long departure thing, but it just needs a rest......or at least I do
anyway.
Please feel free to use my private email if desired for any contact.
I'm always available to discuss aviation and aviation safety with both
friends and interested parties.
Jim Logajan has my email address in case the google munge interferes.
Best to you
Dudley Henriques
  #20  
Old November 10th 09, 10:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow[_8_]
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"Fake Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
...
Dudley Henriques wrote:

I am in the process of dealing with an unknown person or persons using
my name to post here on this forum.


That *******! :-)


Actually, "that little sniveling, cowardly snotball".


 




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