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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
Jack Linthicum wrote:
As I understand it there are only two causes of aircraft crashes: pilot error and equipment failure There is also cause: #3 Weather,#4 outside forces(shoot downs, ground control, etc.) & #5 who the hell knows?? While most do fall in 1 or 2. The others have their share. |
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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
On Jul 21, 9:04 pm, "Mr.Smartypants" wrote:
Hostile ordnance would be pilot error. Terrorist bombs would be equipment failure. IEDs would thus be: "In Extremist Deplanar"? And finding them at roadside take-aways: In Explicipo Deploya? |
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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
On Jul 22, 4:47 am, Tiger wrote:
Have yet to hear of what might be a cause. If it IS trigger happy pilots we will never, ever, hear of it. You don't make serious time in the penthouse without knowing how to field that one. |
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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jul 22, 4:47 am, Tiger wrote: Have yet to hear of what might be a cause. If it IS trigger happy pilots we will never, ever, hear of it. You don't make serious time in the penthouse without knowing how to field that one. Wrong answer, think of the BUFF into the ground at Fairchild. The pilot was an accident waiting to happen long before the fatal event. The entire situation has been covered in RAM. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
"Tiger" wrote in message ... David E. Powell wrote: Latest update as of 20 minutes ago (as per Yahoo) has the report that three crew members have died and that three more are still missing. The good news is that search and sea conditions in the area are apparently good if anyone is alive out there. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/...W0WAVVcjxH2ocA http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/ap_on_re_us/ b52_crash;_ylt=App8_Af5UQZI9mW0WAVVcjxH2ocA http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080722/...W0WAVVcjxH2ocA David From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have yet to hear of what might be a cause. They have Bang Seats? |
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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
On Jul 22, 3:33 am, "Roger Conroy"
wrote: "Tiger" wrote in message From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have yet to hear of what might be a cause. They have Bang Seats? Yes, but the ones on the lower deck are a bit of a problem in the event of a low altitude equipment failure or pilot error... -HJC http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/sy...2-describe.htm All crew stations are pressurized, heated, and air-conditioned. In the event of an emergency, means for crew escape is provided by upward ejection seats for those on the upper deck and downward ejection seats for those on the lower deck. |
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B-52 crashes after takeoff from Guam
On Jul 22, 6:47 am, hcobb wrote:
On Jul 22, 3:33 am, "Roger Conroy" wrote: "Tiger" wrote in message From the sound of things, there was little time for a ejection. Have yet to hear of what might be a cause. They have Bang Seats? Yes, but the ones on the lower deck are a bit of a problem in the event of a low altitude equipment failure or pilot error... -HJC http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/sy...2-describe.htm All crew stations are pressurized, heated, and air-conditioned. In the event of an emergency, means for crew escape is provided by upward ejection seats for those on the upper deck and downward ejection seats for those on the lower deck. Three bodies recovered, wearing life vests http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...807220323/1060 |
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AF says no survivors of B-52 crash
Yahoo! News Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer 43 minutes ago All six crew members aboard a B-52 bomber that crashed off Guam were killed, the Air Force said Wednesday as the search effort shifted focus from rescue to recovery of the crew and pieces of the wreckage. Two bodies have been found; the Air Force, without elaborating, said in a news release that forensic specialists were trying to identify additional remains recovered. "Losing this bomber crew has been a tragedy felt by everyone here and across the Air Force," said Brig. Gen. Doug Owens, commander of the 36th Wing. The six crew members were identified as Maj. Christopher M. Cooper, 33, aircraft commander; Maj. Brent D. Williams, 37, navigator; Capt. Michael K. Dodson, 31, co-pilot; 1st Lt. Joshua D. Shepherd, 25, navigator; 1st Lt. Robert D. Gerren, 32, electronic warfare officer; and Col. George Martin, 51, flight surgeon. Martin was also the deputy commander of 36th Medical Group at Andersen Air Force Base. "Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the families of these airmen," said Col. Robert Wheeler, 2d Bomb Wing commander. "We appreciate the military and civilian organizations who are continuing recovery efforts to bring our airmen home." A panel of Air Force officers is investigating the crash. The unarmed bomber crashed Monday during a swing around the island as part of Guam Liberation Day celebrations, marking the day when the U.S. military arrived to retake control of the island from Japan during World War II. The B-52 had been scheduled to conduct a flyover in a parade. The Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force, National Guard and local agencies scoured more than 7,000 square miles of the Pacific in three days before suspending the search for survivors. "It's extremely difficult to suspend this search," said Capt. Thomas Sparks, commanding officer of the Coast Guard's Sector Guam. "Our hearts go out to the families of the victims and the entire Coast Guard grieves for their loss." The crew was based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. Flags were being flown at half-staff at the Louisiana state Capitol to honor them. They were deployed to Guam with the 20th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron as part of the U.S. military's continuous bomber presence mission in the Pacific. The B-52 was carrying nearly 19,000 gallons of jet fuel when it crashed but the National Oceanic Atmospheric Association determined there was no threat to the environment because all or most of the fuel had burned, the Coast Guard said. B-52s have been the backbone of the U.S. military's manned strategic bomber force for more than four decades, used for missions from attacks to ocean surveillance. They are capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory, including cluster bombs and precision guided missiles. B-52s were first placed into service in 1955, and 93 remain in the Air Force's fleet. The Air Force has been rotating B-1, B-2 and B-52 bombers through Guam since 2004 to boost the U.S. security presence in the Asia-Pacific region while other U.S. forces in the area have been sent to the Middle East. Monday's crash is the third for the military this year on Guam, a U.S. territory 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii. A Navy EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft crashed into the ocean Feb. 12. Four crew members ejected from the aircraft and were rescued by helicopter. Eleven days later, an Air Force B-2 crashed at Andersen shortly after takeoff in the first-ever crash of a stealth bomber. Both pilots ejected safely. The military estimated the cost of the loss of the aircraft at $1.4 billion. The Air Force's last crash involving a B-52 was also to perform for spectators. On June 24, 1994, a bomber was practicing touch-and-go landings before an air show at Fairchild Air Force Base in Washington state when it plunged to the ground and exploded, killing all four on board, according to the Air Combat Command in Langley Air Force Base, Va. (This version CORRECTS age of Shepherd.) Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Questions or Comments Privacy Policy -Terms of Service - Copyright/IP Policy |
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AF says no survivors of B-52 crash
On Jul 23, 8:49*pm, Tiger wrote:
Yahoo! News Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer 43 minutes ago All six crew members aboard a B-52 bomber that crashed off Guam were killed, the Air Force said Wednesday as the search effort shifted focus from rescue to recovery of the crew and pieces of the wreckage. Two bodies have been found; the Air Force, without elaborating, said in a news release that forensic specialists were trying to identify additional remains recovered. "Losing this bomber crew has been a tragedy felt by everyone here and across the Air Force," said Brig. Gen. Doug Owens, commander of the 36th Wing. The six crew members were identified as Maj. Christopher M. Cooper, 33, aircraft commander; Maj. Brent D. Williams, 37, navigator; Capt. Michael K. Dodson, 31, co-pilot; 1st Lt. Joshua D. Shepherd, 25, navigator; 1st Lt. Robert D. Gerren, 32, electronic warfare officer; and Col. George Martin, 51, flight surgeon. Martin was also the deputy commander of 36th Medical Group at Andersen Air Force Base. "Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the families of these airmen," said Col. Robert Wheeler, 2d Bomb Wing commander. "We appreciate the military and civilian organizations who are continuing recovery efforts to bring our airmen home." A panel of Air Force officers is investigating the crash. The unarmed bomber crashed Monday during a swing around the island as part of Guam Liberation Day celebrations, marking the day when the U.S. military arrived to retake control of the island from Japan during World War II. The B-52 had been scheduled to conduct a flyover in a parade. The Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force, National Guard and local agencies scoured more than 7,000 square miles of the Pacific in three days before suspending the search for survivors. "It's extremely difficult to suspend this search," said Capt. Thomas Sparks, commanding officer of the Coast Guard's Sector Guam. "Our hearts go out to the families of the victims and the entire Coast Guard grieves for their loss." The crew was based at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. Flags were being flown at half-staff at the Louisiana state Capitol to honor them. They were deployed to Guam with the 20th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron as part of the U.S. military's continuous bomber presence mission in the Pacific. The B-52 was carrying nearly 19,000 gallons of jet fuel when it crashed but the National Oceanic Atmospheric Association determined there was no threat to the environment because all or most of the fuel had burned, the Coast Guard said. B-52s have been the backbone of the U.S. military's manned strategic bomber force for more than four decades, used for missions from attacks to ocean surveillance. They are capable of dropping or launching the widest array of weapons in the U.S. inventory, including cluster bombs and precision guided missiles. B-52s were first placed into service in 1955, and 93 remain in the Air Force's fleet. The Air Force has been rotating B-1, B-2 and B-52 bombers through Guam since 2004 to boost the U.S. security presence in the Asia-Pacific region while other U.S. forces in the area have been sent to the Middle East. Monday's crash is the third for the military this year on Guam, a U.S. territory 3,700 miles southwest of Hawaii. A Navy EA-6B Prowler electronic warfare aircraft crashed into the ocean Feb. 12. Four crew members ejected from the aircraft and were rescued by helicopter. Eleven days later, an Air Force B-2 crashed at Andersen shortly after takeoff in the first-ever crash of a stealth bomber. Both pilots ejected safely. The military estimated the cost of the loss of the aircraft at $1.4 billion. The Air Force's last crash involving a B-52 was also to perform for spectators. On June 24, 1994, a bomber was practicing touch-and-go landings before an air show at Fairchild Air Force Base in Washington state when it plunged to the ground and exploded, killing all four on board, according to the Air Combat Command in Langley Air Force Base, Va. (This version CORRECTS age of Shepherd.) Copyright © 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved. Questions or Comments Privacy Policy -Terms of Service - Copyright/IP Policy Thank you, Tiger. |
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AF says no survivors of B-52 crash
Tiger wrote in :
Yahoo! News Air Force says no survivors of B-52 crash off Guam Sad and a reminder that enlisting means you write a cheque to the US for any amount up to including your life. Most folks get theirs returned void at some state of their existence but a few pay the full amount. IBM |
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