Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.

"ArtKramr" wrote:
Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: (Regnirps)

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Remember when he "cut the size of government"?

-- Charlie Springer


I guess Clinton never planned on attacking a nation that never threatened
the
U.S.

Actually he did, regime change in Iraq was a policy Clinton agreed and guess
what he even ordered attacks on that country.

What did you do during the mid to late 1990's? Did you spend most of it
asleep?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: (Regnirps)
Date: 6/30/2004 2:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote:

That is what they were, not what they are now. You are living in the
past as
are most neocons and helping the present administration to wreck our
country,.Rumsfeld is a disaster going to a phony war without enough
troops
and now they are recalling troops that have already served more than
they
should. And there is draft talk. Is there no end as to how destructive
the
neocons can be?. Well, it will all come to an end in November. Cry the
beloved
coubtry.

It is tough to do it right when you get hit and then find that Clinton
cut:

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON
232
MISSILES.
500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS
ALL
THE
SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A
NAVAL
FORCE.

Remember when he "cut the size of government"?

-- Charlie Springer


I guess Clinton never planned on attacking a nation that never threatened
the
U.S. based on WMD that they never had.

No, he just attacked a nation that never threatened the US (that whole
series of former-Yugoslavia operations), based largely upon assurances from
Euro leaders it was *really* necessary, and thereby committed us to
open-ended engagements that are *still* sucking the life from the various
military branches, especially the Army (which is still playing the whole
SFOR and KFOR game, with SFOR now extending some seven YEARS past the date
that Clinton originally promised us would mark the end of that game). I
guess this is another example of your forgetting or not recognizing any
events that occured post VE day?

BTW, CBS News (not usually counted among the big Bush supporting
institutions) had a rather interesting little blurb the other evening,
regarding what Saddam is allegedly telling tales about while in captivity,
amongst which was mentioned his "WMD plans". Odd, huh? And as to threatening
the US, what do you call an assasination attempt on a former US President?
WMD they never had? You also must have missed the bit about a sarin binary
round going off a month or two back...

Brooks


Arthur Kramer

"Brett" wrote in message
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What did you do during the mid to late 1990's? Did you spend most of it
asleep?


Art's been asleep since 1945.

And there is draft talk.

"From Democrats in Congress and a few Republicans, the administration
has said
repeatedly stated there is no need for a draft and they will not ask
for one.
According to a political analyst in Newsweek magazine (or was it
Time?), this
whole "draft scare" is the democrats trying to scare the younger males
into
voting for Kerry. But you know what Art, don't let facts get in the
way of your
"thinking"."

Preach on brother!!! I reading ya 5/5 flyboy.

No reason to mention the "D" word as long as "W" dips into the the IRR
pool via his PRCA and continues to extend sandbox deployments. His
some news from my neck of the woods:

Sunday, June 20, 2004
Barrel, scraping bottom of.
Fort Irwin 'not closing,' Lewis told, Claire Vitucci and Tammy Mccoy,
The Press-Enterprise, Friday, May 21, 2004


"About 150 soldiers of the 58th Engineer Company, which supports the
2,500-member 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment, are scheduled to deploy
sometime in the next 70 days, said Maj. Chris Belcher, Fort Irwin's
public affairs officer.
....
But the Army is considering sending some or all of the regiment to
Iraq, Lewis said.

It's unclear when that decision would be made, Lewis said. But if it
does happen, reservists will first come and train with the unit, also
called the Army's Opposition Force, and then fill in when the regiment
is deployed.

That way, specialized training for armored units could continue at
Fort Irwin, Lewis said.

If the Army is cutting into their training facilities in order to
deploy troops then nobody can complain about their own tour of duty
being extended for a few years.

But it does bring up the question of whether the United States was
prepared to open this second front as Bush proposed and Kerry voted
for."

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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I guess Clinton never planned on attacking a nation that never threatened
the
U.S. based on WMD that they never had.

Now Art shows his lack of credibility. Even the UN admits that Iraq had
loads of WMD.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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I guess Clinton never planned on attacking a nation that never threatened
the
U.S. based on WMD that they never had.

Then what was it they dropped on Iran and Halabja?


Ron
PA-31T Cheyenne II
Maharashtra Weather Modification Program
Pune, India

"CallsignZippo" wrote in message
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(Snip for brevity)

But it does bring up the question of whether the United States was
prepared to open this second front as Bush proposed and Kerry voted
for."

What is there to question since the whole world now knows that Bush and his
surrogates flat out lied and that the Congress and public were totally misled
because they believed the lies.

With perfect 20/20 hindsight, of course we shouldn't have, but it's a little
late for that kind of breastbeating, isn't it? The only real unanswered
question (right now at least) is whether or not we want another four years of
evasions, half-truths and outright lies or should we take a chance on the other
option in the hopes that we will mostly be dealt cards from the top of the deck.
The answer to that one will come in November, unless that exercise also ends up
being rigged.

George Z.

"Ragnar" wrote in message
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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(Snip)

Now Art shows his lack of credibility. Even the UN admits that Iraq had
loads of WMD.

......in the '80s. The UN never found much of anything after the Gulf War in
spite of their best "on again, off again" search efforts. Even the Bush
administration's own team of expert searchers led by David Kay concluded after
their best unrestricted post-hostilities efforts that there not only wasn't
anything to find but that there hadn't been anything there from the beginning.

Anyone who finds fault with those conclusions is suffering from a huge attack of
gullibility. To this day, almost a year and a half after our "mission
completed" occurred, and with well over 100,000 American troops in the country
going back and forth over that miserable dusty country, none of the weapons we
were supposed to be afraid of has ever been found.

To accuse Art of suffering from lack of credibility is a perfect example of the
pot and the kettle.

George Z.

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 02:21:41 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
proclaimed:

Art's been asleep since 1945.

No, I believe he took off and never came back.

Rumsfeld is the very definition of paleocon, a newly-minted term to
distinguish him and others from the "I used to be a liberal or Democrat"
conservatives. You are simply misusing neocon. Tell me what does the "neo"
prefix mean when attached to the word? It's there for a reason. Simply
because you are worked up and the liberal media is most susceptible to
buzzwords, even when wrongly using them, is no reason to call everyone in
the administration a neocon. The word has a definition, maybe you are just
lazy and can't quite peck out "conservative" or "Republican". You could
call them Nazi like the raving lunatics, it has even fewer letters and using
it couldn't do any more damage to your credibility. Next you'll be
complaining about the chemtrails the Jews are spraying over our cities to
make us infertile.

There is zero chance of a draft, unless you think Charlie Rangal and Chuck
Hagel constitute a veto proof majority in the Congress. *They* are
advocating a draft, nobody else. They are advocating it for the same reason
to spread fear and panic among the fearful and panicking classes. Everyone
else in the process is opposed to a draft. Exactly how will a draft be
implemented if the majority of Congress are opposed, the Pentagon doesn't
want it and can't afford it, and the President is opposed to it. Will
George Soros decree a draft after he finishes trying to buy an election?

If this is a wrecked economy we should wreck it every year. Economic growth
faster than during the last 20 years, an unemployment rate half of Europe,
1.5 million new jobs in the last few months. Notice the commie-libs aren't
using the "3 million jobs lost" any more because that number is shrinking
fast. Maybe the AARP Fear Alert isn't interested in having you know any of
this.


--
Scott

"I don't need to know very much about you or your ideas to know that if you
think Michael Moore is just great, a truth-teller and a much-needed tonic
for everything that is wrong in American life, you are not someone to take
seriously about anything of political consequence, or you are French. But I
repeat myself." - Jonah Goldberg
"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "tscottme"
Date: 6/30/2004 4:38 AM

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the
Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress
their

That is what they were, not what they are now. You are living in the past
as
are most neocons and helping the present administration to wreck our
country,.Rumsfeld is a disaster going to a phony war without enough
troops
and now they are recalling troops that have already served more than they
should. And there is draft talk. Is there no end as to how destructive the
neocons can be?. Well, it will all come to an end in November. Cry the
beloved
coubtry.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer