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"WalterM140" wrote in message
... Let's compare and contrast here, shall we? Three years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, FDR has the Germans and Japanese by the throat. Three years after 9/11, Bush 43 allows Al Qaeda to murder American civilians at will. Walt In 1944, sir, how many Americans died? I would suppose that for Normandy alone, it is far higher. When Kamikazes hit US ships, and when Nazis shot US POWs, was that FDR allowing them to do it at will for kicks? Stop trolling. DEP |
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"Chris Mark" wrote in message ... Roosevelt also threw Japanese residents into detention camps by the tens of thousands. Imagine if Bush 43 tried to do that with Muslims. Japanese residents? He interned Japanese, Italian and German foreign nationals. Which is fine, every nation does that. But he also detained American citizens of Japanese, Italian, and German descent. |
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"Thomas Schoene" wrote in message link.net... German-American and Italian-American citizens of the United States were not interned en masse; Japanese-American citizens were. Not true. While it was not as wide spread and is not nearly as well known as the incarceration of Japanese-Americans, there were Americans of Italian and German descent that received similar treatment. |
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That didn't help the ones sent to Auschwitz. Were those men killed? Some died there. Many were rescued by the German air force. Some were rescued by the German air force only to die later on the death marches of April 1945. The case I know of was not a Jew. He was caught by the Gestapo while on the run in France (not an escapee but a downed airman) and was sent by the usual cattle car to the east. He didn't specify whether any of the Americans he fell in with at Auswitz were Jews, but then he wouldn't have; that was the least important thing about them at that point. You don't have to die to be brutalized beyond imagination, as any survivor of Auschwitz (and there were many) can testify, or any survivor of a Japanese camp. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org |
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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:36:31 GMT, "Thomas Schoene"
wrote: German-American and Italian-American citizens of the United States were not interned en masse; Japanese-American citizens were. If you are the person interned, it makes very little difference if you were singled out or interned en masse. Indeed, it's probably worse if you were singled out. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org |
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Right. Not much attention is paid to it, but it was pretty serious business. Many Italian fishermen, for example, people who had emigrated to the US decades before Pearl Harbor, lost their livelihoods because they weren't allowed near ports. I lived in Concord MA during the war. In the 1940s it was a truck-farming town, not a yuppie bedroom community. Many of the farmers were Italian. One was so Italian that the boys were named Primo, Secondo, and Tercero, if I spell them correctly. In the way of boys, however, we were totally unaware that there was anything unusual in this, and I don't recall that I ever associated them with the evil Germans, Italians, and Japanese with whom the nation was at war. all the best -- Dan Ford email: (put Cubdriver in subject line) The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org |
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The situation in WW2 is not comparable to the situation
today. It's comparable in that both FDR and Bush 43 faced one day events that fundamentally changed the course of the country. FDR mastered his challenge, Bush 43 is foundering. This is from today's NY Times: "Mr. Lehman also predicted that the commission's final report would include unanimous recommendations for change in the intelligence services, which he said could not distinguish "between a bicycle crash and a train wreck." "It is dysfunctional," he said. "It needs fundamental change, not just tweaking and moving the deck chairs or the organization boxes around." I don't know if we can stand four more years of spinning our wheels in the war on Terror. Bush 43 is an incompetent arrogant elistist *******. It is time for him to go. Walt |
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