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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
... Thank you for the information, George. I guess I overlooked 'military facilities' in those NOTAMS. Keep in mind that the NOTAM doesn't prohibited loitering. If it did, it would read "may not" instead of "should not". Furthermore, the NOTAM doesn't say anything about the consequences of such loitering, never mind that an interception will occur. It may be a reasonable assumption, but the FAA is hardly clear about it. Pete |
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In article x86me.6153$Fb.4615@trndny07,
George Patterson wrote: No, this is a state-of-the-art military radar system. which military radar is can determine altitude with such precision? -- Bob Noel no one likes an educated mule |
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Bob Noel wrote in news:ihatessppaamm-
: In article x86me.6153$Fb.4615@trndny07, George Patterson wrote: No, this is a state-of-the-art military radar system. which military radar is can determine altitude with such precision? Edwards AFB is used as a testing and proving ground. As such, they have radars and optical tracking abilities for following flight tests in extreme detail. A lot of the footage you see on The Military Channel (formerly Discovery Wings) of older aircraft being tested, for example the X planes, was taken here. It would not surprise me that they could take a picture of any aircraft within range and tell you it's position, orientation and velocity to three decimal places using their radars. It's their job. BTW, Edwards was used to help track SpaceShipOne and to confirm it's record and prize winning altitude. This article covers the test of a new radar system on SS1... http://www.edwards.af.mil/archive/20...ive-spads.html An interesting quote about the radars capabilities... "Then (the aircraft) will fly by and drop a whole load of bombs, and this radar can actually see all the individual bombs, see them spin, see the fins come out, the whole works." I just did quite a bit of Googling and not surprisingly, didn't find any exact specifications. But I did see a reference to one radar having .1 milliradian angle resolution and 20ft distance resolution. It was described as being a basic radar of lesser capability. Then I found mention of imaging radars. I forgot all about those things. If you think about it, it has to be pretty high resolution in order to actually make an image using radar returns. Now that I've been reminded of this, I recall seeing a program on one of those Discovery like channels that showed the imaging radar image from a cruise missile, and in it you could even make out the wires between high voltage towers. Hope this has been of some help. Brian -- http://www.skywise711.com - Lasers, Seismology, Astronomy, Skepticism Home of the Seismic FAQ http://www.skywise711.com/SeismicFAQ/SeismicFAQ.html Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes? |
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:42:05 GMT, Dave S
wrote: I guess this is the same data gathering ability that said "Yes, Iraq had WMD's" as well? You aren't up to date. There never were any WMD and Bush knew it all along as revealed by the memo that was leaked to the London Times three weeks ago. Here's the information you missed: *** Begin Quote *** The memo was written by British national security aide Matthew Rycroft, based on notes he took during a July 2002 meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his advisers, including Richard Dearlove, the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service who had recently met with Bush administration officials. Since being leaked to a British newspaper, the memo has raised questions anew about whether the Bush administration misrepresented prewar intelligence about suspected weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify military action against Saddam Hussein's regime. "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," the memo said. "But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening hi-bility was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran." *** End Quote *** "Blair's offfice has not disputed the authenticity of the memo", but the White House has of course claimed it's false. See: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051705Y.shtml for the complete story, or just google "the downing street memo", or google "memo wmd". Corky Scott |
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"Corky Scott" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 May 2005 14:42:05 GMT, Dave S wrote: I guess this is the same data gathering ability that said "Yes, Iraq had WMD's" as well? You aren't up to date. There never were any WMD and Bush knew it all along as revealed by the memo that was leaked to the London Times three weeks ago. Here's the information you missed: *** Begin Quote *** The memo was written by British national security aide Matthew Rycroft, based on notes he took during a July 2002 meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his advisers, including Richard Dearlove, the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service who had recently met with Bush administration officials. Since being leaked to a British newspaper, the memo has raised questions anew about whether the Bush administration misrepresented prewar intelligence about suspected weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to justify military action against Saddam Hussein's regime. "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," the memo said. "But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening hi-bility was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran." *** End Quote *** "Blair's offfice has not disputed the authenticity of the memo", but the White House has of course claimed it's false. See: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/051705Y.shtml for the complete story, or just google "the downing street memo", or google "memo wmd". First, it was a memo from notes that would be considered hearsay in any court. Second, Truthout.com is hardly an unbiased source. |
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"Corky Scott" wrote in message ... You aren't up to date. There never were any WMD and Bush knew it all along as revealed by the memo that was leaked to the London Times three weeks ago. So the Kurds and Iranians poisoned themselves? |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 09:17:23 -0500, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wr.giacona@coxDOTnet wrote: First, it was a memo from notes that would be considered hearsay in any court. Second, Truthout.com is hardly an unbiased source. Right, except we aren't in court (although perhaps we should be) and the Blair government has not denied the authenticity of the memo and an unnamed "Senior American Official" has characterized it as "absolutely accurate". Truthout.com is just reporting what the memo said, not making it up. It was originally printed in "The Times of London" to which it was leaked. In effect, when protesting Truthout.com, you are shooting the messenger. In addition, that website was merely the first I picked, there were dozens more I could have posted. The text of the memo (it isn't very long) is also available, simply google "downing street memo". The first site when you do this search is the "Times online", and the memo is printed in it's entirety without editorial comment. Corky Scott |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:32:47 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote in k.net:: "Corky Scott" wrote in message .. . You aren't up to date. There never were any WMD and Bush knew it all along as revealed by the memo that was leaked to the London Times three weeks ago. So the Kurds and Iranians poisoned themselves? What dates did those poisonings occur? Chronology is everything in this issue: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ationworld-hed However, a commission appointed by the president to investigate intelligence gathering that led to the invasion concluded that all of the intelligence community's information about the existence of biological or any other weapons of mass destruction was "deeply flawed." "The intelligence community was absolutely uniform, and uniformly wrong, about the existence of weapons of mass destruction. And they pushed that position," said Judge Laurence Silberman, co-chairman of the commission. Critics of the Bush administration have long argued that Bush appeared intent on invading Iraq long before Congress voted to authorize military action in October 2002 if Hussein didn't abandon his alleged illegal weapons programs. Former Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, who was chairman of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee when Democrats ruled, has written in his book, "Intelligence Matters," about his visit to MacDill Air Force Base, home of the U.S. Central Command, on Feb. 19, 2002. He was going for a status report on Afghanistan, Graham wrote, but CENTCOM'S Gen. Tommy Franks called him aside to tell him, "Senator, we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan." "Excuse me?"' Graham replied. "Military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq," Graham quoted Franks as saying. Graham wrote: "I was stunned. This was the first time I had been informed that the decision to go to war with Iraq had not only been made but was being implemented, to the substantial disadvantage of the war in Afghanistan." |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... You aren't up to date. There never were any WMD and Bush knew it all along as revealed by the memo that was leaked to the London Times three weeks ago. So the Kurds and Iranians poisoned themselves? What dates did those poisonings occur? How long is "never"? |
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 14:32:47 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: So the Kurds and Iranians poisoned themselves? Sorry, did you not know where Saddam got that gas? I honestly thought everyone knew by now. The Reagan administration sent it to him to assist him in his war against Iran. Please, tell me you aren't surprised by this old news. There's some world class irony working he We gave him the nerve gas and then complained to the world that he used it. In addition, we invaded his country on the pretext that he had WMD (Rumsfeld even had the cheek to pinpoint where they were during a news conference). But none were ever found and the search for them has officially ended. But Rumsfeld knew that he had them at one time, because we had the receipts for them, so to speak, having given them to him. Corky Scott |
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