automotive parts on airplane engines

Automotive alternators are sometimes installed on certified airplanes.
Are automotive (or any other type) starters ever used on a certified
engine. For instance, is there a Delco automotive equivalent to the
starter on a C85?

Thanks,

Wallace

Wallace Berry wrote in message ...
Automotive alternators are sometimes installed on certified airplanes.
Are automotive (or any other type) starters ever used on a certified
engine. For instance, is there a Delco automotive equivalent to the
starter on a C85?

Thanks,

Wallace

The statute of limitations expired, so yes, I have had a C-85
generator rebuilt at an auto shop several times, made a nifty landing
light flasher for about 8 bucks with parts from Pep Boys and know of
others that have used auto parts. Now someone is going to come along
and say that if you do and something happens and they find
non-approved parts on your plane, you could get in trouble. I always
had more important things to worry about. I'm sure that you could
find an automotive starter to fit at NAPA. Or let the government
inspect the one you want and pay 4.329 to 8.784 times more. Chances
are that if you crash-land off airport, an FAA type will show up and
merely check your pilot's certificate, medical and airworthiness
certificate......in fact I'm absolutely sure of it...at least in one
instance. I doubt that anyone would even think of checking to see if
your starter was "approved." All you have to say in the rare event
they did was: "That's the one that was on there when I bought the
plane." Make sure you don't log an unapproved part.

KJSDCAUSA

In article ,
(Ken Sandyeggo) wrote:

Wallace Berry wrote in message
...
Automotive alternators are sometimes installed on certified airplanes.
Are automotive (or any other type) starters ever used on a certified
engine. For instance, is there a Delco automotive equivalent to the
starter on a C85?

Thanks,

Wallace

The statute of limitations expired, so yes, I have had a C-85
generator rebuilt at an auto shop several times, made a nifty landing
light flasher for about 8 bucks with parts from Pep Boys and know of
others that have used auto parts. Now someone is going to come along
and say that if you do and something happens and they find
non-approved parts on your plane, you could get in trouble. I always
had more important things to worry about. I'm sure that you could
find an automotive starter to fit at NAPA. Or let the government
inspect the one you want and pay 4.329 to 8.784 times more. Chances
are that if you crash-land off airport, an FAA type will show up and
merely check your pilot's certificate, medical and airworthiness
certificate......in fact I'm absolutely sure of it...at least in one
instance. I doubt that anyone would even think of checking to see if
your starter was "approved." All you have to say in the rare event
they did was: "That's the one that was on there when I bought the
plane." Make sure you don't log an unapproved part.

KJSDCAUSA

Thanks for the reply. I can probably find the correct certified starter
for my C-85 used. However, I may very well look into trying to match up
an auto starter. My C-85 is actually not a "certified" engine anymore as
it has high compression pistons and a high performance cam. It is on my
Stits SA6b which is obviously a plans built aircraft. For now I'm using
the "Hemingway" starter.

Wallace

Owned a shop where we wholesale repaired auto starters and generators
some years ago. Used to get a number or pilots bringing in their
starter for repair. Word of mouth got around. We would :

1. Rebuild the bendix.
2. Put new bearings in.
3. Put new brushes in.
4. Turn and under cut the commutator.
5. Check proper operation of rebuilt unit.
6. Charged them the standard auto starter rebuild rate.

Worked like new when we gave back to pilot for installation.

Check around and tell shop you need their expert to work on your A/C
unit.

Big John

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:32:57 -0500, Wallace Berry
wrote:

In article ,
(Ken Sandyeggo) wrote:

Wallace Berry wrote in message
...
Automotive alternators are sometimes installed on certified airplanes.
Are automotive (or any other type) starters ever used on a certified
engine. For instance, is there a Delco automotive equivalent to the
starter on a C85?

Thanks,

Wallace

The statute of limitations expired, so yes, I have had a C-85
generator rebuilt at an auto shop several times, made a nifty landing
light flasher for about 8 bucks with parts from Pep Boys and know of
others that have used auto parts. Now someone is going to come along
and say that if you do and something happens and they find
non-approved parts on your plane, you could get in trouble. I always
had more important things to worry about. I'm sure that you could
find an automotive starter to fit at NAPA. Or let the government
inspect the one you want and pay 4.329 to 8.784 times more. Chances
are that if you crash-land off airport, an FAA type will show up and
merely check your pilot's certificate, medical and airworthiness
certificate......in fact I'm absolutely sure of it...at least in one
instance. I doubt that anyone would even think of checking to see if
your starter was "approved." All you have to say in the rare event
they did was: "That's the one that was on there when I bought the
plane." Make sure you don't log an unapproved part.

KJSDCAUSA

Thanks for the reply. I can probably find the correct certified starter
for my C-85 used. However, I may very well look into trying to match up
an auto starter. My C-85 is actually not a "certified" engine anymore as
it has high compression pistons and a high performance cam. It is on my
Stits SA6b which is obviously a plans built aircraft. For now I'm using
the "Hemingway" starter.

In article ,
Wallace Berry wrote:

In article ,
(Ken Sandyeggo) wrote:

Wallace Berry wrote in message
...
Automotive alternators are sometimes installed on certified airplanes.
Are automotive (or any other type) starters ever used on a certified
engine. For instance, is there a Delco automotive equivalent to the
starter on a C85?

Thanks,

Wallace

The statute of limitations expired, so yes, I have had a C-85
generator rebuilt at an auto shop several times, made a nifty landing
light flasher for about 8 bucks with parts from Pep Boys and know of
others that have used auto parts. Now someone is going to come along
and say that if you do and something happens and they find
non-approved parts on your plane, you could get in trouble. I always
had more important things to worry about. I'm sure that you could
find an automotive starter to fit at NAPA. Or let the government
inspect the one you want and pay 4.329 to 8.784 times more. Chances
are that if you crash-land off airport, an FAA type will show up and
merely check your pilot's certificate, medical and airworthiness
certificate......in fact I'm absolutely sure of it...at least in one
instance. I doubt that anyone would even think of checking to see if
your starter was "approved." All you have to say in the rare event
they did was: "That's the one that was on there when I bought the
plane." Make sure you don't log an unapproved part.

KJSDCAUSA

Thanks for the reply. I can probably find the correct certified starter
for my C-85 used. However, I may very well look into trying to match up
an auto starter. My C-85 is actually not a "certified" engine anymore as
it has high compression pistons and a high performance cam. It is on my
Stits SA6b which is obviously a plans built aircraft. For now I'm using
the "Hemingway" starter.

I remember years ago my AI stating that "starters are NOT PMA
equipment." This implies that ther is really no such thing as a
"certified starter."

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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I remember years ago my AI stating that "starters are NOT PMA
equipment." This implies that ther is really no such thing as a
"certified starter."

I don't believe it.

I remember years ago my AI stating that "starters are NOT PMA
equipment." This implies that ther is really no such thing as a
"certified starter."

Sounds like an Old AI tale. If he meant OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)
then he is most certainly wrong. Whatever starter the engine maker approved is
the proper starter for that engine and is therefore approved or if you will
certified. It will have a part number assigned by the engine maker no matter
what number the starter manufacturer may have given it. Other starters may
work by they ain't legal.

PMA means Parts Manufacturing Authority and is the approval that after market
makers of parts must get to have approved parts legally capable of being
installed on approved equipment.

John Dupre'


John Dupre'

Wallace Berry wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Ken Sandyeggo) wrote:

Wallace Berry wrote in message
...
Automotive alternators are sometimes installed on certified airplanes.
Are automotive (or any other type) starters ever used on a certified
engine. For instance, is there a Delco automotive equivalent to the
starter on a C85?

Thanks,

Wallace

The statute of limitations expired, so yes, I have had a C-85
generator rebuilt at an auto shop several times, made a nifty landing
light flasher for about 8 bucks with parts from Pep Boys and know of
others that have used auto parts. Now someone is going to come along
and say that if you do and something happens and they find
non-approved parts on your plane, you could get in trouble. I always
had more important things to worry about. I'm sure that you could
find an automotive starter to fit at NAPA. Or let the government
inspect the one you want and pay 4.329 to 8.784 times more. Chances
are that if you crash-land off airport, an FAA type will show up and
merely check your pilot's certificate, medical and airworthiness
certificate......in fact I'm absolutely sure of it...at least in one
instance. I doubt that anyone would even think of checking to see if
your starter was "approved." All you have to say in the rare event
they did was: "That's the one that was on there when I bought the
plane." Make sure you don't log an unapproved part.

KJSDCAUSA

Thanks for the reply. I can probably find the correct certified starter
for my C-85 used. However, I may very well look into trying to match up
an auto starter. My C-85 is actually not a "certified" engine anymore as
it has high compression pistons and a high performance cam. It is on my
Stits SA6b which is obviously a plans built aircraft. For now I'm using
the "Hemingway" starter.

Didn't know for sure it was in an experimental...I know, "rec.aviation
homebuilt." You can use anything you want on an experimental, log it
and be legal.

KJSDCAUSA

I do not think that you will find an auto starter for your C-85.I have
looked for years.You might find an auto shop that will rebuild yours for
you and like someone said,it is for your boat or airboat.

On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:52:28 -0400 (EDT), (James
Lloyd) wrote:

I do not think that you will find an auto starter for your C-85.I have
looked for years.You might find an auto shop that will rebuild yours for
you and like someone said,it is for your boat or airboat.
Nope, its for my "leaf blower"