I give up, after many, many years!

I give up -- not flying -- but subscribing to this NG. It is just too
riddled with crap and backbiting, to the point that it carries little
if any useful exchange of interest to active pilots. It isn't worth
the effort any more, even with multiple kill files.

So good riddance to 90+% of the posts, and the few idiots who have
managed to spoil the NG over the past couple of years, and farewell to
those few remaining sensible contributors. I admire your patience and
tolerance. Mine have given out!
--
Jay (remove dashes for legal email address)

In article ,
Jay Somerset wrote:

I give up -- not flying -- but subscribing to this NG. It is just too
riddled with crap and backbiting, to the point that it carries little
if any useful exchange of interest to active pilots. It isn't worth
the effort any more, even with multiple kill files.

So good riddance to 90+% of the posts, and the few idiots who have
managed to spoil the NG over the past couple of years, and farewell to
those few remaining sensible contributors. I admire your patience and
tolerance. Mine have given out!

Sorry to see you go.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On May 11, 11:50 am, Bob Noel
wrote:
In article ,
Jay Somerset wrote:
farewell to
those few remaining sensible contributors. I admire your patience and
tolerance. Mine have given out!


Sorry to see you go Jay, It's not our patience that keeps us here,
it's the lack of life and the cost of fuel.
Lou

Jay Somerset wrote:
I give up -- not flying -- but subscribing to this NG. It is just too
riddled with crap and backbiting, to the point that it carries little
if any useful exchange of interest to active pilots. It isn't worth
the effort any more, even with multiple kill files.

So good riddance to 90+% of the posts, and the few idiots who have
managed to spoil the NG over the past couple of years, and farewell to
those few remaining sensible contributors. I admire your patience and
tolerance. Mine have given out!

I agree with your sentiments. I haven't posted often and am, in the big
picture, a relatively "new" pilot (licensed in 2003). I have been
appreciative over the years -- the group has offered some
thought-provoking topics that resulted in RL discussions, exchange of
opinions/experiences, and ultimately some very useful knowledge.

It had been easy to spot and ignore the "crap and backbiting". On my
newsreader, I see the number of posts first, and I always think,
"great...lots of new, interesting material" ... until the actual *list*
of topics comes up, and of late it's easy to see that 95% are a couple
of people exchanging insults ad nauseam. A few who actually have some
useful info won't quit unless they have the last word, so there are 50
exchanges of one-line name-calling insults. After the first one, what's
the point?

So now the useful stuff to people who are still interested in coming
here to learn something or to share something is BURIED. I agree with
you about feeling that it's not worth the effort sometimes.

Shirl wrote in news:Xmnushal8y-
:

Jay Somerset wrote:
I give up -- not flying -- but subscribing to this NG. It is just
too
riddled with crap and backbiting, to the point that it carries little
if any useful exchange of interest to active pilots. It isn't worth
the effort any more, even with multiple kill files.

So good riddance to 90+% of the posts, and the few idiots who have
managed to spoil the NG over the past couple of years, and farewell
to
those few remaining sensible contributors. I admire your patience
and
tolerance. Mine have given out!

I agree with your sentiments. I haven't posted often and am, in the
big
picture, a relatively "new" pilot (licensed in 2003). I have been
appreciative over the years -- the group has offered some
thought-provoking topics that resulted in RL discussions, exchange of
opinions/experiences, and ultimately some very useful knowledge.

It had been easy to spot and ignore the "crap and backbiting". On my
newsreader, I see the number of posts first, and I always think,
"great...lots of new, interesting material" ... until the actual
*list*
of topics comes up, and of late it's easy to see that 95% are a couple
of people exchanging insults ad nauseam. A few who actually have some
useful info won't quit unless they have the last word, so there are 50
exchanges of one-line name-calling insults. After the first one,
what's
the point?


It's a zen thing.

Kinda like the story where the master whacks the student's finger off?

I reckon that Maxie banging his head endlessly against the wall will
eventually enlighten him to something, if not the ultimate truth.

And if not, he's just plain funny.


So now the useful stuff to people who are still interested in coming
here to learn something or to share something is BURIED. I agree with
you about feeling that it's not worth the effort sometimes.

Well, i;m not posting much of interest these days anyway, unless you
enjoy Maxie fjukking hissef over as much as I do., so just killfile me
for th etime being and most everything else should fall into place.

I don't think you'd miss too much killfiling Maxie either. Even when
he's on topic he's pretty useless IMO


Bertie

On Sun, 11 May 2008 19:21:00 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Shirl wrote in news:Xmnushal8y-
:

Jay Somerset wrote:
I give up -- not flying -- but subscribing to this NG. It is just
too
riddled with crap and backbiting, to the point that it carries little
if any useful exchange of interest to active pilots. It isn't worth
the effort any more, even with multiple kill files.

I rarely both with kill files, I just skip over the stiff er...stuff I
don't find interesting.


I agree with your sentiments. I haven't posted often and am, in the
big
picture, a relatively "new" pilot (licensed in 2003). I have been
appreciative over the years -- the group has offered some
thought-provoking topics that resulted in RL discussions, exchange of
opinions/experiences, and ultimately some very useful knowledge.

I've been here for many a year, off and on. The *stuff* cycles like
the market. It has it's up and downs and like e-mail spam the volume
also varies.


It had been easy to spot and ignore the "crap and backbiting". On my
newsreader, I see the number of posts first, and I always think,
"great...lots of new, interesting material" ... until the actual
*list*

Generally I just look at the topic. I don't mind when they drift OT
as long as it's interesting. Moderated groups that are held strictly
OT are just plain boring most of the time.

of topics comes up, and of late it's easy to see that 95% are a couple

I don't see the % as quite that bad, but there's a lot I just ignore.
Typically I ignore threads that specifically have a title like this
one, but I noticed a few names I recognize and thought I'd read a few.
I'll still skip most of them.

of people exchanging insults ad nauseam. A few who actually have some

Around here I hear more of that going on in township meetings where
special interest groups who are quite vocal even manage to get the
occasional recall going which costs us all money and keeps us from
getting any thing useful done.

I'm not flying at present, but it's not due to choice or the price of
gas. It's sometimes frustrating to see/read people bickering about
rather unimportant things. It's even more frustrating not flying, but
I've managed to keep my sense of humor even when having to learn how
to walk again. Now I'm up to lifting weights while standing on a Bosu
ball and doing knee bends. Jumping rope has even made it to where I'm
not flat footing (which hurts) although I still need to work on the
coordination on my left leg. I remember how to run, jump, and jump
rope, but my leg doesn't.

useful info won't quit unless they have the last word, so there are 50
exchanges of one-line name-calling insults. After the first one,
what's
the point?

I just move on to the next thread. Most of the time I don't see it as
any biggie. Although It does bother me on the student group where they
need information while remembering regardless of what they are told on
the NG they should always check it our with their instructor.


We all enjoy different things and aspects of flying.

For those who can help or have the patience, hang in there. For those
who don't I too would suggest leaving as otherwise it'll just be an
exercise in frustration. Otherwise learn to ignore what you don't like
and try to correct misinformation or mistakes for the benefit of
others.

Roger (K8RI) ARRL Life Member
N833R (World's oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:57 -0700, Shirl wrote in
:

of late it's easy to see that 95% are a couple
of people exchanging insults ad nauseam.

What makes you think they are not the same person?

Shirl wrote:
of late it's easy to see that 95% are a couple
of people exchanging insults ad nauseam.

Blakesy:
What makes you think they are not the same person?

LOL ... I just can't imagine having the kind of time (or energy!) to be
the insulter AND the insultee in some of these exchanges that go on
*forever* with nothing but one-line insults. But ... you're right, takes
all kinds, and that's a possibility.
;-)

Blakesy wrote in :

On Sun, 11 May 2008 11:21:57 -0700, Shirl wrote in
:

of late it's easy to see that 95% are a couple
of people exchanging insults ad nauseam.

What makes you think they are not the same person?


You got me, I'm Maxwell. First I poast as Bertie, then I stick my inger in
a socket and post again as Maxie.

Bertie

I give up -- not flying -- but subscribing to this NG.

Sorry to see you go, Jay. I've enjoyed your posts, and hope you can make it
to OSH this year.

I still find some utility in this group, but no longer recommend it to new
or aspiring pilots. I find myself spending more and more time on moderated
groups that don't tolerate anonymous trolls.

Check back from time to time. This, too, shall pass.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"