The ethanol nightmare has arrived!

Jay, if your only alternative to keep flying was to drop, say, $40K
into a diesel conversion for Atlas, would you?

Nope.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up
everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos --
we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro Chicago!)

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants,
built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's just
another gummint scam.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I'm trying to locate a new source, but may not be successful. The
ethanol is added at the distribution rack. Chevron and a couple others
are requiring their retailers to go to E-10.



Have you actually tried to go to a Chevron station, get some of the
Premium gas, and actually test it for ethanol? E10 should be very
obvious with the test tube method.

Because Washington state has a relatively sensible ethanol law, and
the fact that wholesale ethanol price is very high right now, there's
a chance that you might get ethanol free gas by buying the Premium
fuel.

Remember, ethanol is not mixed into the fuel until the local
distribution terminal, because it can't be transported in pipelines.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22...
But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop up
everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is casinos --
we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population than Metro
Chicago!)

That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a great
opportunity to expand my "territory" !

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these plants,
built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble bursts. It's
just another gummint scam.

They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will spend
more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants.

--
Matt Barrow
Performance Homes, LLC
Cheyenne, WY

On Apr 7, 7:41 pm, Al wrote:
A new twist is a 5.1 cent per gallon
federal fuel tax break to the oil companies to get this "alternative"
fuel into the market.

BTW, this credit (5.1 cent on E10) has been on the book since 2004.
It's not a new thing:

http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=...20Tax%20Credit

On Apr 8, 8:44 am, wrote:

I heard a blurb on NPR the other day that it's mandated
by the feds for the summer to lessen polution.

There seems to be so many misinformation about ethanol in fuel. A
little Google search shows:

* ethanol was first introduced in larger scale in gasoline as an
oxygenate back in 1990s, the RFG program, to reduce the CO emission
mostly in winter in some metro areas. On carburated auto engines
ethanol has the effect of leaning out the mixture - hence reducing the
CO emission especially when the engine is cold. This effect is mostly
irrelevant now that vast majority of the cars have electronic ignition
and automatic mixture control.

* The oil companies didn't like ethanol because 1. it can't be
transported in pipelines and 2. they didn't control its production.
They prefer MTBE, an oxygenate produced from petroleum. EPA at the
time didn't care whether MTBE and ethanol is being used.

* MTBE was later found to be contaminating ground water, and the
congress in 2005(6?) denied MTBE producer's request for a liability
waver. As a result, MTBE as an oxygenate was completely phased out
about two years ago and all areas designated as "non-attainment" areas
by EPA must use ethanol as oxygenate, which triggered the first large
scale shortage of ethanol and a big price run-up.

* In the mean time, some states have passed various laws mandating
ethanol blending in gasoline. The exact requirement can be very
different from state to state.

* In 2004, Congress passed the law to give 51 cent per gallon subsidy
for pure ethanol (and proportional tax credit for various % of blend).

* In 2007, Congress passed the law (and Bush signed it) to require a
rapidly increase of renewable fuel by 2022 (See
http://www.ethanol.org/index.php?id=78&parentid=26 for the schedule).
For the first few years this would come almost entirely from corn
ethanol. This misguided effort resulted in a huge increase of corn
price, food price - particular meats, and ethanol price in 2007 when
20% of the entire U.S. corn production was turned into ethanol - which
was merely the first year of the schedule (see
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ne...G=Search+News).
Interestingly enough, even with 51c a gallon tax credit ethanol
producers have been barely turning a profit lately due to this huge
run-up of corn price, and this is merely the beginning. To produce 15
billion gallons of corn ethanol a year it would probably require more
than 50% of the entire U.S. corn harvest, a situation that's highly
unlikely to occur. If you think $3/dozen eggs is expensive, imagine
$10/dozen eggs - that's what'll happen if we produce anywhere near 15
billion gallons of corn ethanol a year.

* Even though the 2007 law requires a massive increase of ethanol
blending in gasoline, it didn't exactly specify that each gallon of
gasoline must contain certain percentage of ethanol. The oil
companies are free to blend ethanol in some areas and not other
areas , or to blend in regular gas but not premium, etc, etc -
subject to state by state regulations.


My point is? This ethanol madness totally sucks, but the hard reality
has begun to set in. Just wait for another year when the food price
totally shoot through the roof, something will change. I have already
seen the news coverage regarding corn ethanol turning largely negative
in the last month or so.

"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22...
But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants
pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster
is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population
than Metro Chicago!)

That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's a
great opportunity to expand my "territory" !

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these
plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble
bursts. It's just another gummint scam.

They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will
spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants.


Wow, the sum of your's and Jay's IQ's combined are somehow less than
they are independantly. Amazing. How do you do that?

Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22:

But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants pop
up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster is
casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less population
than Metro Chicago!)

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these
plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble
bursts. It's just another gummint scam.


You are an idiot.


Bertie

"Jay Honeck" wrote in news:TlXKj.112166
$yE1.82115@attbi_s21:

Jay, if your only alternative to keep flying was to drop, say, $40K
into a diesel conversion for Atlas, would you?

Nope.

Well, there you are. Dummer'n dirt.



Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
...
"Matt W. Barrow" wrote in
:


"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:apXKj.58870$TT4.53961@attbi_s22...
But of course, to 'Big Corn' (corollary to 'Big Oil') the fact
that
ethanol is far from our salvation is ignored. Also by the various
politicians who are deep into the pockets of 'Big Corn'.

Boy, you ain't kidding. Here in Iowa, we're seeing ethanol plants
pop up everywhere, like daisies. (The only thing being built faster
is casinos -- we now have 19 casinos in a state with less
population
than Metro Chicago!)

That's why I'm so glad I moved almost 200 miles further east - it's
a
great opportunity to expand my "territory" !

I keep wondering what in the hell is going to happen to all these
plants, built in all these communities, when the ethanol bubble
bursts. It's just another gummint scam.

They'll be the "ghost towns" of the 21st century. The gummint will
spend more $$$billions to "re-locate" the inhabitants.


Wow, the sum of your's and Jay's IQ's combined are somehow less than
they are independantly. Amazing. How do you do that?

Bertie

It involves "animal magnetism".

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