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"Dude" wrote in message
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I was thinking they were likely more than 30k. Are you confident on that
number?

Yes.

Also, 172's and Diamond Stars are coming with the G1000. You can order
either of those planes with a single NAV/COM/GPS, standard six pack, VOR
Head, Transponder (no traffic), intercom and engine instruments for at
least 30k less than the minimal install price of a G1000 unit.

Yes but how many airplanes are actually shipped with one navcom? The G1000
is cheap compared to the configurations that people actually buy.

You are correct if you compare to a normally well configured 182, Star or
Mooney that they are nearly the same though.

The question will be what pricing model will the manufacturers use to
bring it to upgrade planes and low end models to increase the market. I
suspect they may try to sell units with lower capabilities built in that
you will have to pay a software charge to use. The real question is
Chelton. Will they try to increase their marketshare by discounting
heavily, betting on volume (like Cirrus has done).

Chelton is not an integrated system. The key to the value of the G1000 is
that it is just a bunch of sensors, a computer and some software and it
replaces everything except the master switch and circuit breakers.. There
is minimial interfacing by connecting wires by hand, it is internal. Garmin
is paying the same for a screen, memory or CPU as the manufacturer of a
laptop or cell phone. Compare that to hand-building a electromechanical
gyro with its numerous custom parts and remember that it probably has as
much electronics (in $s) as an AHARS in addition to all the moving, gimbled,
spinning parts. It is almost impossible for an electromechnical device to
maintain the same cost curve as a semiconductor based device.

I think that now that there are new entrants coming into the market, there
will be price competition. Right now we are in the phase of the market
where there is a shortage of the new, cool product. The same thing happens
to in autos where a desirable car can sell for thousands above invoice for a
few month until supply catches up.




"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
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What new planes ship with a single navcom these days? The G1000 as
installed in a single like a 182 costs about $30K and includes audio,
VOR, GS, GPS, transponder, Airspeed, ADI, HSI, VSI, MFD, Fuel, Tach, MP,
intercom, ammeter, as well as a bunch of stuff that the older 182 is
unlikely to have. So the $30k system is replacing everything except the
standby AH, airspeed and altimeter. Of course most 182s don't have these
redundant instruments. Since everything is integrated, the wiring is
significantly reduced too saving expensive labor.

Mike
MU-2


"Dude" wrote in message
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What is interesting, but hasn't come into play yet is that the G-1000
is cheaper (to Cessna) than the instruments it replaces. At some point
manufacturers will stop charging a premium for glass. My guess is that
it will happen in the next two years.

Mike
MU-2



Is it really cheaper? If you are talking about a replacement for a full
panel with HSI, Dual Nav/Com/GPS, engine analysis system, and intercom
with traffic - then you are certainly correct. But is it cheaper than a
base unit with a single Nav/Com?

Anyone know what the cost of the AHRS really is? That seems to be the
main thing. I can see how the rest could end up being cheaper easily.

Not my idea at all. French philosopher, Descarte: " I think
therefore I am".
Later Descarte concluded that the existence of God depended on mans'
conscious efforts.

This is no value at all if you have no idea what it means, and I can't see
how you hope to apply it here at all. My statements were not circular.

If you want to play philosopher, go prove that Mill's Utilitarianism is
circular.


"George Hamilton" wrote in message
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Not my idea at all. French philosopher, Descarte: " I think
therefore I am".
Later Descarte concluded that the existence of God depended on mans'
conscious efforts.

George Hamilton wrote:

Not my idea at all. French philosopher, Descarte: " I think
therefore I am".
Later Descarte concluded that the existence of God depended on mans'
conscious efforts.

He got it backwards though!


Matt

Not really circular more elliptical and warped?

Oh, well, if you put it that way how could I disagree?


"George Hamilton" wrote in message
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Not really circular more elliptical and warped?