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kontiki writes:
That's because you have been indoctrinated to fear firearms and that no "good' person should ever need one and they are 'dangerous'. Not so. The reality is that there is generally no indoctrination at all concerning firearms in countries where they are not common. Indeed, the greatest exposure to firearms for people in many countries is American motion pictures, which regularly feature gunplay (and hardly indoctrinate against it). Most people in most countries know very little about firearms, apart from the fact that they are normally used for hunting or killing people. Those who aren't interested in hunting or killing people aren't interested in firearms. And while the notion of someone in the countryside having a firearm for hunting isn't necessarily that repulsive, the notion of someone in the city carrying one (and the implication that it is intended to kill people, not food) is naturally repulsive to most people, in the same way that murder is repulsive. A "locked away" gun is about as worthless as tits on a boar hog. Not if you have time to anticipate its use, which would be the case in the vast majority of scenarios. Let me tell you it is the person holding the firearm that is dangerous, and if it were not a pistol it could be a knife, a club or a bomb or even bare hands. Only one of these works at a distance without harm to the bearer. As long as the world is full of 'bad' people it is up to 'good' people to be ready to protect themselves and others. The United States isn't full of bad people, but it is certainly full of guns. |
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Matt Whiting writes:
We simply value freedom and an armed populace is the only way to avoid tyranny in the long run. This is not true. Freedom of speech is the best way to avoid tyranny, which is why any curtailment thereof must be resisted. And in a democracy one resists by voting, not by firing a gun. |
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Matt Whiting writes:
Except when you are carrying them, which should be all of the time in many parts of the world. Does that include Iowa or Idaho? |
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kontiki writes:
I'd rather live in place full of only 'good' people, all of whom own firearms than a place with one 'bad' person with a gun and all the other 'good' people have none. Fortunately, that type of choice rarely has to be made. |
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"Morgans" wrote in message ... I am sorry that this person got ripped off, and I would love to see the scum that took everything apprehended and have their fingernails pulled out one at a time. I just can not understand the choice of locations for all of the guns. -- I'd doubt if it was all of their guns, or even hesitate to call it a collection. Three small caliber handguns, a shotgun and pellet gun. But I do have a problem with leaving any of them laying around most of the hangers I've seen. I certainly wouldn't do it. Stolen firearms have far too much crime potential. Loosing tools, electronic or other hobby gear is one thing, but we all have a responsibility to keep firearms in the hands of responsible people. |
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Mxsmanic wrote:
kontiki writes: I'd rather live in place full of only 'good' people, all of whom own firearms than a place with one 'bad' person with a gun and all the other 'good' people have none. Fortunately, that type of choice rarely has to be made. However it is the goal of so many politicians in this country to attempt to completely disarm the populace (for a number of varied and even self serving reasons). However they fail to grasp the fact that, by definition, criminals do not obey laws so only law abiding people would be disarmed. There are also several instances where, in period of crisis and widespead lawlessness (hurricanes, riots) the businesses and homes protected by individuals with firearms were the only ones not looted. Like it or not, you must accept the fact that your property is is only yours if you are capable of keeping someone else from taking it. In times of calm and prosperity we relegate the task of protecting ourselves and our property to a police force. When the SHTF though it will only be the individuals themselves to assume the responsibility as there will not be enough police to go around. One is either willing and prepared to accept that ultimate responsibility or one is not. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... The founders were thinking of specific and temporary circumstances, not necessarily of a permanent state. Yeah, that's why they started a new country, they just needed a place to camp for the weekend. And the odd thing about American gun owners is that they worry about being "conquered" by their own government, rather than any outside force. I guess being able to vote is less important than being able to shoot. The fact that organized militaries can easily overwhelp a few rifles or pistols doesn't seem to occur to anyone. What would a clueless twit like you know about what American gun owners think. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... A "locked away" gun is about as worthless as tits on a boar hog. Not if you have time to anticipate its use, which would be the case in the vast majority of scenarios. What a clueless twit. You can't even get grip on self respect, much less self defense. Let me tell you it is the person holding the firearm that is dangerous, and if it were not a pistol it could be a knife, a club or a bomb or even bare hands. Only one of these works at a distance without harm to the bearer. Pointless dribble, anything to disagree. As long as the world is full of 'bad' people it is up to 'good' people to be ready to protect themselves and others. The United States isn't full of bad people, but it is certainly full of guns. Every country has plenty of bad people. You just don't see them running around your mental ward. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... chris writes: What is it with Americans and bloody guns??? Snip - a lot of clueless drivel. I personally don't see any reason to have a firearm anywhere (much less in an airplane or hangar) except under the most restricted circumstances, but I know that there's no arguing with the many Americans who love their guns. Personally you don't see a lot of things. Your foresight ends somewhere between your number and function keys. |
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message ... kontiki writes: I'd rather live in place full of only 'good' people, all of whom own firearms than a place with one 'bad' person with a gun and all the other 'good' people have none. Fortunately, that type of choice rarely has to be made. Yeah, just daily you clueless twit. |
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