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Old September 10th 04, 06:36 PM
Kevin Brooks
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
Subject: fighter pilot hours?
From: "Jeff Crowell"
Date: 9/10/2004 7:45 AM Pacific Standard Time

We've seen it again and again--try to save money in the training
environment and you guarantee increased losses in combat.


Too bad Rumsfeld doesn't read this stuff.

You have evidence that Rumsfeld is cutting flight training hours? If so,
provide it--if not, shut up, 'cause you are lyin' again.


Arthur Kramer

Old September 11th 04, 10:05 AM
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:45:59 -0600, "Jeff Crowell"

Sims are great for buttonology and procedures, and can be a lot of
fun (and they can scare the hell out of you sometimes).

I loved the sim segment from the short-lived and by-me-lamented TV
series on the American Fighter Pilot (or whatever the name). Our hero
had all the red buttons flashing at him at once.

I'm glad to hear your comments on the million-dollar flight sim. I
have a pal who believes that the Microsoft version on his home
computer has qualified him as one of the Few in the Battle of Britain.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Old September 11th 04, 05:50 PM
Urban Fredriksson
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In article ,
Ed Rasimus wrote:

One of the things we were working on with the ATF (F-23) program was
low-cost desk-top trainers networked with both dome simulators and
computer-generated entities to create a combat scenario.

For a look at a Swedish variant of this, see this:

It can be noted that one of the, if not the, most expensive
pieces of hardware are the system controller/throttles.
Urban Fredriksson http://www.canit.se/%7Egriffon/
"Failure requires effort. That's why some people never fail." -Bengt Anderberg
Old September 12th 04, 04:56 AM
Jim Thomas
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I may have missed it in this thread, but it's important to note that
flying requirements (civilian as well as military) have evolved into
event requirements, rather than hours. Obviously, 100 hours in a
transport or bomber (mostly cruise time) aren't the same as 100 hours
of air-to-air or air-to-mud time in a fighter/attack aircraft. I don't
know what the requirements are today, but when I retired from the USAF
in 1987, requirements were in terms of instrument approaches,
landings, weapons delivery events, sorties (of various types), not
just hours.

My recollection, vague though it might be getting, is that for a large
part of my flying career the basic USAF requirement was 120
hours/year. Nobody I knew (in flying posts) got so few hours. But
remember the days when you had to fly 4 hours/month for flight pay
(which was a factor mostly in non-flying billets)? When I was a
student in the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT), we mostly got
our hours flying in the back of the local C-130 or C-133. Such a deal.
Later, wiser heads removed the flying hour requirements for pilots in
non-flying jobs.

But I digress. Event-driven requirements are obviously the way to go.

Jim Thomas

Robey Price wrote in message . ..
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Cub Driver
confessed the following:

I fly about 50 hours a year and wish I could do more, just to stay in
the groove.

Could I have stayed current in a jet fighter, flying about 140 hours a

Old September 15th 05, 02:39 AM
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[quote=Jim Thomas]
When I was a
student in the Air Force Institute of Technology (AFIT), we mostly got
our hours flying in the back of the local C-130 or C-133.

Did you mean Convair C-131? I crewed for two years as a Douglas C-133 navigator, and I don't think anyone but assigned or attached crew members got time in the C-133. It was used for heavy logistic airlift only. Besides, sitting in the rear of a C-133 would have been excruciatingly uncomfortable. The noise and vibration were INTENSE.

For more info on the C-133, check my web site:


My definitive C-133 history, Remembering an Unsung Giant: The Douglas C-133 Cargomaster and Its People, will be out in April 2006.

Cal Taylor
The C-133 Project

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