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Best Club class glider
At 18:22 12 December 2011, JS wrote:
From my little experience at club class competitions, the pilot seems to have a lot to do with it... Most on your list have done well. Coincidentally, there's an SZD55 for sale in the previous RAS post to yours, close enough to drive home. They're a very good club class ship. Jim If I could get an SZD55 for £15k I would be very tempted! (and no don't want a syndicate partner.) |
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Thanks for the opinions so far - just to clarify I would like to get an
idea of the pro's and con's of each ship (let's discount things like state of trailer instruments ect.) It's interesting to note that Gee Dale recently sold his ASW24 to purchase a DG100/1 because he felt he could not win the World Club Class with a 24, as he had to fly too 'high risk' to beat the larger pack of lower performing club class gliders ove rthe length of a contest. |
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On Dec 12, 8:13*pm, David Reitter wrote:
snip Be aware of the lifetime limits on the Pegase. *You don't list it, but if you're considering an Astir, there's an expensive AD out on it. snip I suspect the OP is in the UK since he put price in pounds not dollars. AFAIK the lifetime limits in the UK don't exist on the Pegase, and 10 hours on the road is enough or more than enough to get to most clubs unless he lives right on the south coast or near Inverness. Agree you want a sound trailer, then a good finish, and believe us mere mortals are best of finding a glider with those two things that we are comfortable in and enjoy flying rather than worrying about what Gee is flying. |
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On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. Paul, The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't run all that well.....................probably a good selection for weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy. Cheers, JJ |
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On Dec 12, 8:16*pm, " wrote:
I would go with a glider that is easy to rig. *Auto control hook ups are a real plus. *The early model Std Circus is IMHO pretty complex to rig. That's correct. The all-moving tailplane is a bitch to mount, though after maybe 10 times, I think I stopped having issues. The control hook-ups will be a problem for pilots who can't get their head and upper body into the fuselage (that's how I do it and it's no big deal for me). There's a modification that fits an access hatch which makes life much easier - I have it, though I don't use it as I'm too lazy to replace the tape around it all the time. Wedekind sleeves may be fit to the control connections, though that modification is expensive. I've had occasional issues putting the wings on. All in all, automatic control- hookups and a better/quicker wing attachment mechanism would be much preferable. A mod I would insist on is the one for the spoilers. The original Std Cirrus has poor airbrakes; with this mod, which fits some extra aluminum sheets, the brakes are fine. Finally, it's a joy to fly. http://www.standardcirrus.org/ But what others said initially still holds: get a glider/trailer combination within the performance/price constraints that makes life easy when rigging and de-rigging, and look for a decent finish. |
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In a word: Mosquito.
"JJ Sinclair" wrote in message ... On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote: Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. Paul, The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't run all that well.....................probably a good selection for weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy. Cheers, JJ |
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....or is that not a "Club Class" glider?
"Dan Marotta" wrote in message ... In a word: Mosquito. "JJ Sinclair" wrote in message ... On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote: Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. Paul, The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't run all that well.....................probably a good selection for weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy. Cheers, JJ |
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It is.
Although the Mini Nimbus is not on the approved IGC list. Go figure. Mike On Dec 13, 10:36*am, "Dan Marotta" wrote: ...or is that not a "Club Class" glider? "Dan Marotta" wrote in message ... In a word: *Mosquito. "JJ Sinclair" wrote in message .... On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote: Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. Paul, The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't run all that well.....................probably a good selection for weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy. Cheers, JJ |
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Sorry, forgot the L/E ratio is only ~1.2:1
Last I paid for Euros was 1.6 US Pesos. ....Hope you have a vintage Desmoquattro to finance this with. Jim On Dec 13, 1:18*am, Paul T wrote: If I could get an SZD55 for £15k I would be very tempted! (and no don't want a syndicate partner.) |
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Mosquito is a great ship but it's not in the club class (it's flapped) and
would however fit into the European "Racing class" where they do allow flapped gliders.....( also mentioned was the .Mini-Nimbus but it's a poor comparison and lacks many good features of the Mosquito!) Hence, the Hornet is the real 1st choice for "club" class being similar to the Mosquito but without flaps and has a different airfoil as well...... I've owned and flown both the Hornet and Mosquito and neither has the "exceptions" of the rest like manual hook-up's, small ineffective dive brakes, all flying tails, lift off canopies, small uncomfortable cockpits or infamous DG/LS support (lack of) issues .it's just really hard to pick on these terrific Glasflugel ships....... tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com "Mike" wrote in message ... It is. Although the Mini Nimbus is not on the approved IGC list. Go figure. Mike On Dec 13, 10:36 am, "Dan Marotta" wrote: ...or is that not a "Club Class" glider? "Dan Marotta" wrote in message ... In a word: Mosquito. "JJ Sinclair" wrote in message ... On Dec 12, 8:40 am, Paul T wrote: Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. Paul, The best advice would be to buy a ship to match the soaring conditions you expect to compete in. The DG-100 climbs like stink, but doesn't run all that well.....................probably a good selection for weak conditions, but a looser in strong conditions. Same could be said for the Libelle and G-102. A Pegasus, Hornet or Jantar would be my choice for strong western conditions here in the US. Don't discount a good trailer, remember you will live with a crappy trailer every time you assemble and disassemble whatever you buy. Cheers, JJ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6708 (20111213) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6709 (20111213) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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