Any fliers?

On 05 Jun 2004 12:38:51 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

ubject: Any fliers?
From: Steve
Date: 6/5/04 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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On 02 Jun 2004 18:27:05 GMT, (SteveM8597) wrote:

You guys are weenies.

I see. So you know us personally do you?

Try flying formation with other fighters and a tanker
for 8 hours in and out of the weather overwater in a half inch thick anti
exposure suit.

Yeah yeah. Try spending 16 days on the flight deck of a shuttle, constantly
feeling sick.

As long as there is no flak how bad can it be?

16 days of vomitig in zero g? Plus teh associated side effects of
dehydraion, using the toilet while in zero and so on - I'd guess it
could be pretty damn bad!

Peter Kemp

On 05 Jun 2004 02:35:16 GMT, 362436 (Ron) wrote:

I was looking at my granddads records when he flew the D at Ellsworth, and once
he had 5 refuelings without a disconnect. Seeing as that is at least 20 min
each time, seems like not a bad achievement at all

"Disconnect"???? You mean like unintentionally before completing your
onload? Only acceptable with probe/drogue and then not very often.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

I was looking at my granddads records when he flew the D at Ellsworth, and
once
he had 5 refuelings without a disconnect. Seeing as that is at least 20 min
each time, seems like not a bad achievement at all

"Disconnect"???? You mean like unintentionally before completing your
onload? Only acceptable with probe/drogue and then not very often.


I meant consecutive refuelings without a disconnect in the middle of it. I
guess what i was reading
implied it happened more, and listed some of the wings Buff pilots and how many
consecutive refuelings
they had done. Maybe times have changed, or possibly misread it, but I am
pretty sure that is what it was.


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)
Silver City Tanker Base

Ron wrote:

Did you know who Tony Kern was from an earlier conversation on here?


No. Who is he?


Figured you probably had heard, since he was in the bomber community and wrote
the "Darker Shade of Grey", "Rogue Pilots", both of which I think had quite a
bit about Bud Holland.

He also wrote about airtanker pilots in his rogue pilots book, and apparently
he does not have the highest opinion of those involved in the aerial side of
wildland firefighting. And now that is the national aviation officer for the
USFS, tanker contracts were cancelled last month.


Ron
Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4)
Silver City Tanker Base

16 days of vomitig in zero g? Plus teh associated side effects of
dehydraion, using the toilet while in zero and so on - I'd guess it
could be pretty damn bad!

Sounds like what I went through for three years while on dialysis and later
with the transplant medications but at 1g.

Still I would have to rate wearing the poopy suit for 6-12 hours and not being
able to stand or stretch as a close second. The poopy suit is pretty much the
same thing as the suit that divers wear to go into sub freezing water.
Absolutely miserable.

Steve M

Ron wrote:

Maybe times have changed, or possibly misread it, but I am
pretty sure that is what it was

No Ron, you were right. Ed was, I'm sure, being sarcastically flipant. Getting
inadvertant disconnects in any bomber, but particularly in a B-52 is not rare,
particularly at night or in adverse weather. By the time you're a well seasoned
Aircraft Commander, your inadvertant disconnects during good weather and
daylight are almost non-existant...so then you begin doing "limits", that is
intentionally maneuvering the jet within 2-3 feet of the automatic disconnect
limits.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On 05 Jun 2004 12:38:51 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote:

Yeah yeah. Try spending 16 days on the flight deck of a shuttle, constantly
feeling sick.


--
Steve.


As long as there is no flak how bad can it be?

Pretty bad so I've heard. Just making a point that everyone has a tough time
at some point.


--
Steve.

On 31 May 2004 02:06:19 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:


Our seats aren't comfortable enough so the suggestion to move around in your
seat to avoid DVT is forced upon you in the BUFF.....although thanks to Mary
and the guys and gals at Drydan, we were able to get much more comfortable seat
cushions just in time for OEF, so maybe we'll need classes on DVT avoidance?

It was our pleasure, truly. We were pleased that you wanted our help
and proud that we could provide it. Our Life Support folks are really
great.

The fighter folks should get their g suits fixed up to do compression
waves during flight to help prevent DVT, That would be a friendly g
suit, you have to admit.

I guess you folks in the heavy metal will have to wear elastic
stockings to ward off DVT. I had to wear one after my knee surgery to
keep the swelling down and it wasn't too bad. Warm, though, which
might not be real great under nomex.

I assume the ECS in the BUFF is good enough that you're not going to
try out the ice-water vests that NASCAR drivers use. Those vests have
a connection with the BUFF; they were originally developed for the
X-15 program..

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:31:44 -0700, "Jim Baker"
wrote:

Tony Kern and I were instructor pilots in the Bone schoolhouse in 1991.
Last I talked to him, about 6 or so months ago, he was the head of aircraft
ops for the Forest Service. Probly why you know the name eh? :-)

Did you know a guy named "Tom" Turley? He flew BUFFs in SEA et seq.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

Mary Shafer wrote:

I guess you folks in the heavy metal will have to wear elastic
stockings to ward off DVT.

I think I'll take my chances with DVT

I assume the ECS in the BUFF is good enough that you're not going to
try out the ice-water vests that NASCAR drivers use.

They would be very useful for ground ops at Barksdale, Andersen or Diego
Garcia, but I don't think we've got money to spare to keep you cool on the
ground.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"