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Old December 10th 06, 10:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Danny Dot
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Default Air buss loss at Paris Airshow?

In about 1990 Airbus did low pass at the Paris airshow and lost the plane.
I recall it had something to do with the throttle software thinking the
pilots were in landing mode and "refused" to go to high power for the
go-around.

Anyone remember the details???

Danny Dot


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Old December 10th 06, 10:54 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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http://www.linienmc.dk/video/crashpl...sh%20A320.mpeg

"Danny Dot" wrote in message
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In about 1990 Airbus did low pass at the Paris airshow and lost the plane.
I recall it had something to do with the throttle software thinking the
pilots were in landing mode and "refused" to go to high power for the
go-around.

Anyone remember the details???

Danny Dot



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Old December 10th 06, 10:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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May 1998

"Danny Dot" wrote in message
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In about 1990 Airbus did low pass at the Paris airshow and lost the plane.
I recall it had something to do with the throttle software thinking the
pilots were in landing mode and "refused" to go to high power for the
go-around.

Anyone remember the details???

Danny Dot



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Old December 10th 06, 11:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Danny Dot writes:

In about 1990 Airbus did low pass at the Paris airshow and lost the plane.
I recall it had something to do with the throttle software thinking the
pilots were in landing mode and "refused" to go to high power for the
go-around.

Anyone remember the details???


Probably this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_296

It cast considerable doubt on the airworthiness of the Airbus and its
fly-by-wire systems, especially since the flight recorders were
spirited away and tampered with before they were officially examined.

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Old December 11th 06, 08:56 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Default Air buss loss at Paris Airshow?

Danny,

In about 1990 Airbus did low pass at the Paris airshow and lost the plane.
I recall it had something to do with the throttle software thinking the
pilots were in landing mode and "refused" to go to high power for the
go-around.

Anyone remember the details???


Details? How about we get the general picture right? ;-)

It was not in Paris, it was in Mulhouse. It was in 1988. The official
accident report blamed the pilot for flying too low and too slow, basically a
classic "Hey, watch this!" accident.

If you are into conspiracies, there are other explanations (by the pilot, for
example - hardly surprising), but even they don't mention any "landing mode",
whatever that may be. You may confuse that part with the case of a Japan
Airlines flight, where the crew put the plane in TOGA mode without noticing
and fought the autopilot all the way into a stall.

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Old December 11th 06, 06:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jon Woellhaf
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What's TOGA mode?


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Old December 11th 06, 07:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
James Robinson
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"Jon Woellhaf" wrote:

What's TOGA mode?


Take Off / Go Around
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Old December 11th 06, 09:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Jon,

As James says. A one-button-push to set the plane up for go around with
max power.

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Old December 11th 06, 09:48 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Anyone remember the details???

The video of this crash (from a "Front Line" PBS special) really lit up
our aviation video site, with comments and conflicting opinions coming
in from pilots literally all over the world. My site's technical
advisor (a retired RAF officer) was kept busy with this one!

See it he
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photoga...s320_trees.mpg

Also, you can read some of the comments he
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/autoland_crash.htm

and he
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/autoland_crash2.htm

See all 300+ aviation videos he
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
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Old December 11th 06, 10:28 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Kev
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Danny Dot wrote:
In about 1990 Airbus did low pass at the Paris airshow and lost the plane.
I recall it had something to do with the throttle software thinking the
pilots were in landing mode and "refused" to go to high power for the
go-around.


There's an interesting comment on the topic of "landing mode" in the
following article about Boeing vs Airbus control philosophy. The
supposed quote from John Lauber, who was vice president of safety and
technical affairs for Airbus, specifically mentions it. The relevant
section is at the end.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/boe202.shtml

Cheers, Kev

 




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