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Two days actually and he was nowhere near the camps. Now tell us what you did in the great war sniveling coward For ten days actually, you forgot that I know someone who was there. The 344th made a very costly mistake, in lives. Tarver, knowing someone who was there doesn't back up your claim. Being there, as Kramer was, makes his assertion it was 2 days more plausible. Personally I have no idea when, where etc, but such incidents did happen. There were innocent people killed when dumping bombs on more than one occassion. There was a town in France that got tagged that way if memory serves. I don't recall the specifics. These things happen, but was the outcome of the war altered? Were any Allies killed when the bombs were punched? I won't say your military experience is meaningless, but you can listen to our war stories all day long and you will never be able to grasp the horror and fear we felt anymore than I as a male will ever understand the pain of childbirth. I can tell you what it's like to hunker down in a hole while the bad guys walked fire over me. Can you feel what I felt? Can you comprehend the feeling of helplessness I had? Can you feel the rage I built up wanting to get back at them? Of course not. How about granting those who were there the benefit of the doubt rather than arguing for argument's sake? Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired |
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On 07 Sep 2003 03:07:32 GMT, (ArtKramr) wrote in
Message-Id: : He dumped his bomb load to lighten the plane. That's what may have downed Glen Miller's aircraft too. http://www.grimsociety.com/wayback/decwb.html December 15th, 1944 - GLENN MILLER: MIA - Big Band Leader Glen Miller's plane disappeared over the English Channel. In 1988 a retired RAF engineer admitted he may have jettisoned some leftover bombs on top of the entertainer's plane while returning home from a bombing run. http://www.netlondon.com/news/2000-7...536650802.html -- Irrational beliefs ultimately lead to irrational acts. -- Larry Dighera, |
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"B2431" wrote in message ... Two days actually and he was nowhere near the camps. Now tell us what you did in the great war sniveling coward For ten days actually, you forgot that I know someone who was there. The 344th made a very costly mistake, in lives. Tarver, knowing someone who was there doesn't back up your claim. Being there, as Kramer was, makes his assertion it was 2 days more plausible. Art wasn't there, but my father was. |
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Subject: THE DAY THE 344TH STOPPED PATTON
From: "Tarver Engineering" Date: 9/7/03 9:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "B2431" wrote in message ... Two days actually and he was nowhere near the camps. Now tell us what you did in the great war sniveling coward For ten days actually, you forgot that I know someone who was there. The 344th made a very costly mistake, in lives. Tarver, knowing someone who was there doesn't back up your claim. Being there, as Kramer was, makes his assertion it was 2 days more plausible. Art wasn't there, but my father was. Your father flew with the 344th, What a liar. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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Subject: THE DAY THE 344TH STOPPED PATTON
From: Dave Holford Date: 9/7/03 7:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: ArtKramr wrote: did YOU do in the war? Robbie flew 55 missions. How many did you fly? I see your point Art, those lives were just ordinary lives, not air crew. He did 55. How many did you fly? Arthur Kramer I find it reprehensible that Art can dismiss the efforts and lives of men who spent more weeks in combat than he did hours, just because they did not wear wings, with thoughtless smart-arse comments. You are buying Tarver's lies hook line and sinker. Idiot No one doubts that his time in combat was stressful and terrifying, and may even have had some impact on the outcome of the European war; but he did get to eat decent meals, at a table in comfort, and to sleep in a safe bed every night. Not just me,Me and a million other guys. How about you? His recollections of history are interesting contributions, but his off-hand dismissal of everyone who was not in air combat is becoming tiresome. I am waiting for you to tell more interesting combat experiences. Start now. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: THE DAY THE 344TH STOPPED PATTON From: "Tarver Engineering" Date: 9/7/03 9:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time Message-id: "B2431" wrote in message ... Two days actually and he was nowhere near the camps. Now tell us what you did in the great war sniveling coward For ten days actually, you forgot that I know someone who was there. The 344th made a very costly mistake, in lives. Tarver, knowing someone who was there doesn't back up your claim. Being there, as Kramer was, makes his assertion it was 2 days more plausible. Art wasn't there, but my father was. Your father flew with the 344th, What a liar. My father was on the ground waiting 10 days. Your buddy Robbie did more damage to the war effort in his childishness that his 55 missions did to help. It would have been better if Robbie had stayed home. |
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message ... Subject: THE DAY THE 344TH STOPPED PATTON From: Dave Holford snip His recollections of history are interesting contributions, but his off-hand dismissal of everyone who was not in air combat is becoming tiresome. I am waiting for you to tell more interesting combat experiences. Start now. I agree, let's change the subject. Art, don't post your stopping Patton story anymore. It is dusturbing, not funny, or entertaining. |
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Subject: THE DAY THE 344TH STOPPED PATTON
From: "Tarver Engineering" Date: 9/7/03 10:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time Your buddy Robbie did more damage to the war effort in his childishness that his 55 missions did to help. It would have been better if Robbie had stayed home. You are babbling about things you know nothing about. Your judgement about combat has zero credibility since you were never there. Arthur Kramer 344th BG 494th BS England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany Visit my WW II B-26 website at: http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer |
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