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6 place airplane
Can anyone help me out? trying to find a 6 place airplane that can truly
carry it's load, single engine. looking for a payload of at least 1000 pounds with full of fuel. *** Sent via http://www.automationtools.com *** Add a newsgroup interface to your website today. |
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Marval wrote: Can anyone help me out? trying to find a 6 place airplane that can truly carry it's load, single engine. looking for a payload of at least 1000 pounds with full of fuel. Why with full fuel? A more reasonable requirement is "can carry 1000 pounds plus enough fuel to go X miles with Y minutes reserve". Let's say I find you an airplane that can carry 6 people with full fuel, but the tanks are so small you can only go 100 miles with it. Will you be happy? Let's say I find you an airplane which can carry 6 people, if you only fill the tanks half way, but that still leaves you enough fuel to fly 800 miles. Will you be unhappy? |
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I don't think there are any but are you sure that you can find 6 adults who
are willing to sit in a six place single for four to six hours? Mike MU-2 "Marval" wrote in message ... Can anyone help me out? trying to find a 6 place airplane that can truly carry it's load, single engine. looking for a payload of at least 1000 pounds with full of fuel. *** Sent via http://www.automationtools.com *** Add a newsgroup interface to your website today. |
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I beg to differ. I have a 1965 Cherokee Six-260. I have 1050lb payload left
over with full tanks. Full tanks is 84 gallons at 14 GPH doing an honest 125-130 Kts, betcha can't sit that long. I haven't seen any other production piston single that will match it (excepting PA-32's of course). The thing is a minivan with wings. Mike Rapoport wrote: I don't think there are any but are you sure that you can find 6 adults who are willing to sit in a six place single for four to six hours? -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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OK, so there is one. The real question that I was trying to get at is
whether 1000lb and full fuel are sensible criteria. I would say that an airplane meeting those specs should have larger tanks. I have nine seats and I have taken a maximium of 6 people exactly once. I have never taken more than four (my family) on a long flight 1200nm. My experience (and most of those I know) is that there is rarely an occasion to fill the 6 seats for a long flight it is usually either/or. Mike MU-2 "Ray Andraka" wrote in message ... I beg to differ. I have a 1965 Cherokee Six-260. I have 1050lb payload left over with full tanks. Full tanks is 84 gallons at 14 GPH doing an honest 125-130 Kts, betcha can't sit that long. I haven't seen any other production piston single that will match it (excepting PA-32's of course). The thing is a minivan with wings. Mike Rapoport wrote: I don't think there are any but are you sure that you can find 6 adults who are willing to sit in a six place single for four to six hours? -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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On 22-Jan-2004, "Mike Rapoport" wrote: The real question that I was trying to get at is whether 1000lb and full fuel are sensible criteria. I would say that an airplane meeting those specs should have larger tanks. Exactly! Many pilots say they don't need “extra” range because they can tolerate only so many hours on a given flight leg. I'll bet these pilots are mostly non-instrument rated, because where the “extra” range really makes a difference is in meeting the IFR alternate and reserve requirements. Knock a couple of hours off of a seemingly generous 5 hour endurance and IFR range suddenly becomes a very limiting 3 hours. Remember, on a flight of 600 nm, a 135 kt. airplane that can make it non-stop will about as fast as a 175 kt. airplane that can't. ---Elliott Drucker |
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where is your CG with all seats filled and only "reserve" fuel .. or better
yet.. empty tanks.. BT "Ray Andraka" wrote in message ... I beg to differ. I have a 1965 Cherokee Six-260. I have 1050lb payload left over with full tanks. Full tanks is 84 gallons at 14 GPH doing an honest 125-130 Kts, betcha can't sit that long. I haven't seen any other production piston single that will match it (excepting PA-32's of course). The thing is a minivan with wings. Mike Rapoport wrote: I don't think there are any but are you sure that you can find 6 adults who are willing to sit in a six place single for four to six hours? -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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You have to really work to get the CG out of range. It''ll happen if you fill
the back seats with big guys and leave the others empty, but otherwise it is pretty hard to do. The tanks are not that far forward of the CG, and the airplane is pretty heavy (3400# max gross), so the CG change from full to empty is not all that great. My W&B spreadsheet doe calculate the zero fuel and anticipated arrival CG's nonetheless. BTIZ wrote: where is your CG with all seats filled and only "reserve" fuel .. or better yet.. empty tanks.. BT "Ray Andraka" wrote in message ... I beg to differ. I have a 1965 Cherokee Six-260. I have 1050lb payload left over with full tanks. Full tanks is 84 gallons at 14 GPH doing an honest 125-130 Kts, betcha can't sit that long. I haven't seen any other production piston single that will match it (excepting PA-32's of course). The thing is a minivan with wings. Mike Rapoport wrote: I don't think there are any but are you sure that you can find 6 adults who are willing to sit in a six place single for four to six hours? -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 -- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 |
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A Caravan or PC-12 with some seats taken out?
Paul "Marval" wrote in message ... Can anyone help me out? trying to find a 6 place airplane that can truly carry it's load, single engine. looking for a payload of at least 1000 pounds with full of fuel. |
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Hi Paul,
the PC-12/45 will load about 600 kg ( ~ 1300 lb ) with full fuel and without seats to be taken out. Correct me if I'm wrong, just iirc-data. Regards, Peter |
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