GPS and old-fashioned thinking?

G,

The Europeans are ready to use every available argument (the threat of the US
unilaterally invoking Selective Availability being their favorite) to
denigrate GPS, so as to pave the way for their competing system, Galileo.
They see a huge market potential in a pay-per-use system, designed to
generate windfall profits for the usual group of sweetheart companies, but
they are threatened by the free availability of GPS. They have to denigrate
it to get funding for their system, then find regulatory means to make GPS
receivers illegal.


Exactly. Sadly.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote On 12/05/05 04:45,:
G,


The Europeans are ready to use every available argument (the threat of the US
unilaterally invoking Selective Availability being their favorite) to
denigrate GPS, so as to pave the way for their competing system, Galileo.
They see a huge market potential in a pay-per-use system, designed to
generate windfall profits for the usual group of sweetheart companies, but
they are threatened by the free availability of GPS. They have to denigrate
it to get funding for their system, then find regulatory means to make GPS
receivers illegal.



Exactly. Sadly.


I'm sure the next step is to get the USA to fund it :-)

G Farris wrote:

The Europeans are ready to use every available argument (the threat of the US
unilaterally invoking Selective Availability being their favorite) to
denigrate GPS, so as to pave the way for their competing system, Galileo.

I can't blame them. If I lived outside the US, I would be pretty wary
about depending on a navigation system which I had no control over. It's
the same battle that happening now with control of the Internet.

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I can't blame them. If I lived outside the US, I would be pretty wary
about depending on a navigation system which I had no control over.

Half of me agrees with that, and finds it a reasonable position. If only it
weren't always the same companies gravitating around these projects. Just
today, the official announcement was made of Toulouse as the hub city for the
Galileo project (AirbusVille). So guess who - EADS, Alcatel, Thomson etc will
all be receiving strong subsidies to get set up there, and to "soften the blow"
of getting the project going, until they're ready to start raking in the big
cash when they start licensing.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the BEA (French NTSB) published a "white paper"
about GPS, stating it is a dangerous device, that "causes" pilots to be
inattentive and lose track of their situational awareness. I'll bet the
Brooklyn Bridge that when Galileo is ready to go on line the same agency will
hail it as a revolutionary invention, enhancing pilots' situational awareness.

By that time, Garmin will be up to G-3000 boxes, but if they try to make them
"Galileo Compliant" they will surely find that their boxes lack some code
required to be certified in JAA airspace.

GF

Roy Smith wrote On 12/05/05 07:01,:
G Farris wrote:


The Europeans are ready to use every available argument (the threat of the US
unilaterally invoking Selective Availability being their favorite) to
denigrate GPS, so as to pave the way for their competing system, Galileo.


I can't blame them. If I lived outside the US, I would be pretty wary
about depending on a navigation system which I had no control over. It's
the same battle that happening now with control of the Internet.

The "battle for control of the Internet" is far more about China wanting to
censor it than any freedom issue.

Roy Smith wrote:

G Farris wrote:


The Europeans are ready to use every available argument (the threat of the US
unilaterally invoking Selective Availability being their favorite) to
denigrate GPS, so as to pave the way for their competing system, Galileo.


I can't blame them. If I lived outside the US, I would be pretty wary
about depending on a navigation system which I had no control over. It's
the same battle that happening now with control of the Internet.

Yes, we definitely need to find a way to charge users who aren't
taxpaying US citizens!


Matt

Thomas Borchert wrote:
The FAA, and the rest of the world as well, want to eventually shut-down
the VORs. The only remaining ground-based systems will be ILSes.



Uhm, not quite. The JAA is all hot about DME-DME area navigation. They
thing GPS is not reliable enough. Go figure...

The JAA agenda is politically-driven. They simply don't want to use
those Dammn Yankee's GPS system. Also, in most of the JAA airspace,
there is a DME-rich environment, which is great for en route. But, the
model often collaspes on approach as the DMEs drop out and the remaining
two, or so, provide unacceptable geometry. If it is an RNP platform,
the alerts will become sufficiently dire to force a missed approach.

I am involved in the recent RNAV RNP programs. The JAA just quietly
looks the other way when some of its member states begin their journey
into performance-based RNAV (RNP) procedures that require GPS and IRUs
blended with advanced FMS platforms. DME/DME is simply not in that picure.

Go figure.

DME/DME is simply not in that picure.


You give me hope! I hate this JAA politics BS...

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas Borchert wrote:
The FAA, and the rest of the world as well, want to eventually shut-down
the VORs. The only remaining ground-based systems will be ILSes.



Uhm, not quite. The JAA is all hot about DME-DME area navigation. They
thing GPS is not reliable enough. Go figure...


Thia the pertinent note on the LOWI RNAV (RNP) IAP:

1. GPS and IRS required (DME/DME, LLZ and VOR/DME updating not authorized).

"G Farris" wrote in message
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With all these questions about how to integrate GPS into our everyday
operations, I'm tempted to believe we have allowed the advent of this
wonderful new technology to send our thinking back to the dark ages!

I think the only problem with GPS is the human interface. We need either a
full keyboard input by keyboard or touch screen or they have to transition
them to voice activated, such as, Being able to just speak: "GPS - Direct
to - Kilo - Romeo - Victor - Bravo - Approach - ILS - One - Three" Then
there will be little to no heads down. For now I'd take the keyboard.

Kobra