Typical News Reporting on an accident

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

Note that the "engine" stalled as a result of flying into a box
canyon...
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/s...-valley_co.138
39aa8.html

The reporters never seem to get that a stall has nothing to do with
the engine.

Unfortunately, journalists cannot be specialists in everything, so
they often get all sorts of things wrong.

Just like you

Except you're not a journalist. and not a pilot..

Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote in
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writes:

The reporters never seem to get that a stall has nothing to do with
the engine.

They were quoting a passenger, and the passenger apparently said the
engine stalled, which could well be a cause for a crash (whereas an
aerodynamic stall should not have been). Small aircraft often have
engine problems, unfortunately.

No, they don't, fjukkwit


Bertie

Mxsmanic wrote:
Small aircraft often have engine problems,
unfortunately.

Evidence ?
Or are you just spamming the newsgroup again?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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What makes you so certain it was an aerodynamic stall? That type of stall
normally does not cause a crash.

You're trying to apply your limited knowledge to the rest of the world
again.

Stalls certainly do cause crashes. BTW, when the engine 'stalls', we call it
an engine failure, to avoid confusion.

The stalling of an engine, however, which is apparently what the passenger
mentioned, could easily cause a crash or
make one more likely.

If the passenger had any flight experience, which is likely for any GA
passenger, they too would have used the correct term (engine failure).

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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writes:

Note that the "engine" stalled as a result of flying into a box
canyon...
http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/s....13839aa8.html

The reporters never seem to get that a stall has nothing to do with
the engine.

Unfortunately, journalists cannot be specialists in everything, so they
often
get all sorts of things wrong.

Are you a journalist?

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
...
writes:

Small aircraft often have engine problems, unfortunately.

Outside your scope of knowledge (again).

On Jun 19, 4:24 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:

What makes you so certain it was an aerodynamic stall? That type of stall
normally does not cause a crash. The stalling of an engine, however, which is
apparently what the passenger mentioned, could easily cause a crash or make
one more likely.

A) I made no comment on this particular accident, my comments were in
regard to blame being apportioned to reporters for inaccurate analysis
of accidents.
B) An engine stall (failure) is very likely to result in a forced
landing, but not necessarily a crash.
C) An aerodynamic stall is benign if you expect it, if on the other
hand it happens while you are in a high angle of attach mode of flight
due to attempting a far too hasty and high G 180 out of a boxed canyon
which you have suddenly found yourself in the wrong end of (as the
article posted implies), is quite likely to result in a spin at low
alititude followed by a very distinct crash. A forced landing you
usually walk away from, a crash you often get carried away in a bag.
Going by the very brief article, it seems much more likely that this
is a case of aerodynamic stall than engine failure as was reported.

On Jun 19, 11:44 pm, James Sleeman wrote:
A) I made no comment on this particular accident, my comments

To stymie any rebuttal of that statement, re-reading my original
comment, the statement was not entirely accurate, however my intention
was not to pass any judgement on the causes of the accident in
question but to condition the assertion by the thread starter that
"The reporters never seem to get that a stall has nothing to do with
the engine."

He is not a journalist- he does not have nor can he hold on to any kind of
regular employment. However, he is smarter and more educated than everyone
else in the world, and won't hesitate to tell us. Why he continues to
dominate this and other newgroups is baffling.

"El Maximo" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, journalists cannot be specialists in everything, so they
often get all sorts of things wrong.

Are you a journalist?

I'm a former journalist with a degree in technical journalism. There is no
part of the curriculum or stylebook pertaining to aviation and at no point
does somebody come up to a student journalist or young reporter and say
"Look, you guys. It's called an engine failure. Not an engine stall..."

Almost all journalists use the Associated Press Stylebook or something
equivalent. Perhaps there's a need for an technological addition to the
stylebook, or a journalist's quick reference guide. It could include
nautical and aeronautical terms and concepts for aviation, boating and other
transportation--(is it "semi" "big-rig", "eighteen-wheeler",
"tractor-trailor"....) etc. That might fix a lot of things.

-c
Hmmm...what might a commercial pilot with a journalism degree do to help
rectify this situation?