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Statistics are like lamposts, more for illumination than leaning on. The Mark Twain quote is: Most people use statistics the way a drunk uses a lamppost: more for support than for illumination. |
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Thank you Tony, no offence meant to Mark Twain :-)
a fine writer. At 18:54 04 May 2004, Tony Verhulst wrote: Statistics are like lamposts, more for illumination than leaning on. The Mark Twain quote is: Most people use statistics the way a drunk uses a lamppost: more for support than for illumination. |
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It is distressing that my name keeps getting carried over with a bunch
of comments I did not make. It appears from my accidental inclusion (as my comments at the beginning of this thread have no statistics nor references to age)in this diatribe that I have an ax to grind with aging glider pilots while those who know me realize that I am a member of this very group. jeff Don Johnstone wrote in message ... Dear Michel Over 90% of people who go into Old Peoples Homes die there Over 80% of people die in bed Over 30% of people who go into hospital die To live you need to avoid going into hospital, going to bed or going into a home. You are right older people do fly more they have more time they are likely to have more accidents through that factor alone. This argument is not likely to be won by ageist ramblings. Statistics are like lamposts, more for illumination than leaning on. At 16:48 04 May 2004, Michel Talon wrote: Robert Ehrlich wrote: Michel Talon wrote: Jeff Dorwart wrote: Let me mention an important factor here, the age of the pilot. I have constated on myself that as one ages, the field of vision becomes narrower, not to mention that attention is not of the same quality, reflexes become poor, etc. This could well be one of the most important factors at play here. Sooaring is much much bettre fitted to young people in excellent health and doing a lot of sports (i mean sports like squash) than to old people. But mostly old people have the time and money for gliding. In my personal case, I am well aware of my declining capabilities, but I think the lot of free time I can (and do) devote to gliding compensates for that, i.e. if I had started gliding betweeen 15 and 50, I would have been flying less than 50 hours per year (now over 200) and this factor overrides the decline due to age. I don't think so. I remarked that a fair number of people whom i learnt killed themselves soaring, were 'well known famous' pilots, flying a lot, but getting older. And, yes, since the soaring pilots population is indeed getting older, thanks to the effect you mention (time and money), it could well be that the number of accidents augment, if this theory is true, of course. -- Michel TALON |
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The BRS website lists the Russia AC-4 and the Mechta as aircraft they
have mounted the BRS system into. I have been unable to track down the specific aircraft involved. jeff (Andy Durbin) wrote in message om... Dave Martin wrote in message An in built parachute with automatic deployment would surely help. Tests have been carried out and shown to work. Manually deployed built-in parachutes have been tested and shown to work in controlled conditions. I am not aware that anyone has developed or demonstrated an automatic deployment parachute for gliders. Schleicher offered a ballistic chute option in the marketing brochures for the ASW-28. As far as I know it was never an available option. I heard the testing showed problems. Anyone know details. Andy |
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Don Johnstone wrote:
snip I am sorry if my opion offends and seems negative but the answer to this problem is a human one, better education, better training, better awareness of the problem and potential hazards and perhaps even a change in the way we view flying close to each other. Don, I'm not offended by your opinion - I just don't understand it. Better everything would be, well... better - but it's a goal that has existed forever and it hasn't answered the problem yet. Perfect education, perfect training, perfect awareness, etc. would be an answer, but it's just not available. Lets be honest with ourselves - in the real world of jobs, families, weather, and long commutes to the gliderport all of those betters are just *not* going to happen, at least not in any systemic way. My subjective view is that the majority of collisions take place between aircraft that know exactly where the other aircraft is yet still manage to make contact. This is certainly true of the military who as I said earlier are the only other significant organisation that encourage aircraft to fly close together. I really don't see how another gadget in the cockpit can help unless it is very sophisticated indeed. Let's try on another analogy and see how it fits - automobiles. Hundreds of modestly-trained individuals moving in tight formation, passing within a meter of one another, closure rates of 200+ kph, etc. Horribly complex to analyze, and no system has yet been invented that will recognize a bad situation and reliably guide the driver out of it. Thankfully, rather than say "can't be done - let's have some more driver education" the auto industry has provided any number of safety "gadgets" such as airbags, anti-lock brakes, traction control, proximity radar, and on and on. For each individual gadget there are plenty of straw-man situations that can be conjectured for which the gadget doesn't help, but of much greater significance are the lives saved in situations where the gadget *did* help. No one advocating the FLARM or other hypothetical system thinks it can safely guide a pilot out of *all* possible collision situations - let's stop debating it's usefulness in a 40-ship gaggle. Can we agree that there are *some* or perhaps *many* situations where it could help, and were it available and widely deployed today at least *some* of this year's mid-airs might have been avoided. I'd buy one. Dave |
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Pour nous, l'accident serais de morir dans un lit.
"Don Johnstone" wrote in message ... Dear Michel Over 90% of people who go into Old Peoples Homes die there Over 80% of people die in bed Over 30% of people who go into hospital die To live you need to avoid going into hospital, going to bed or going into a home. You are right older people do fly more they have more time they are likely to have more accidents through that factor alone. This argument is not likely to be won by ageist ramblings. Statistics are like lamposts, more for illumination than leaning on. |
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303pilot wrote:
Pour nous, l'accident serais de morir dans un lit. Plutôt "mourir". |
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Texas accent....
"Robert Ehrlich" wrote in message ... 303pilot wrote: Pour nous, l'accident serais de morir dans un lit. Plutôt "mourir". |
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303pilot wrote:
Texas accent.... "Robert Ehrlich" wrote in message ... 303pilot wrote: Pour nous, l'accident serais de morir dans un lit. Plutôt "mourir". Et aussi plutôt (also rather) "serait". |
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