General Zinni on Sixty Minutes

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
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I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't
9-11 and
it has little or nothing to do with terrorism.


It had everything to do with terrorism.

I notice that all you ever seem to offer is a blank assertion; never logic,
never an example, never even a cogent argument, and certainly never a reference.
Only blankness.

Bye
Vaughn

"Vaughn" wrote in message
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I notice that all you ever seem to offer is a blank assertion; never
logic,
never an example, never even a cogent argument, and certainly never a
reference.
Only blankness.


Have you also noticed that those that insist Iraq had nothing to do with
terrorism simply offer blank assertions; never logic, never an example,
never even a hint of a cogent argument, and certainly never a reference?

No, of course you haven't.

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Vaughn"
Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
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This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists?


Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq.

I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in Iraq
now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to Iraq
because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local
recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism
activity
in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab
countries.
Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now thrown
open
the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work.

I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11
and
it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed to
have
something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission
accomplished"),
but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect.

Vaughn


Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. So we invaded
Iraq. Makes sense to me. (sheesh)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Vaughn"
Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
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This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists?


Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq.

I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in Iraq
now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to Iraq
because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local
recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism
activity
in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab
countries.
Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now thrown
open
the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work.

I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11
and
it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed to
have
something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission
accomplished"),
but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect.

Vaughn



Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

Weren't a couple either Egyptians or Palestinians?

So we invaded
Iraq.

Don't forget all the old ladies who had to be fondled in airports.

Makes sense to me. (sheesh)

Me too. If the shrub had been President in December of 1941, we'd have
conquered Mexico City by June of '42.

Cheers

--mike


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

In article ,
(ArtKramr) wrote:

Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

....working for an organization based out of Afghanistan. So we promptly
invaded Afghanistan.

Then, since Iraq wasn't complying with UN sanctions imposed after the
first Gulf War, and since they were a major facilitator of terrorism as
well:

So we invaded Iraq. Makes sense to me. (sheesh)

Well, it does when you don't leave out the intermediate steps.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: Mike Dargan
Date: 5/31/04 7:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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ArtKramr wrote:
Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Vaughn"
Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
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This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight terrorists?


Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq.

I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in
Iraq
now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to
Iraq
because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local
recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism
activity
in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab
countries.
Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now thrown
open
the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work.

I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't 9-11
and
it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed to
have
something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission
accomplished"),
but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect.

Vaughn



Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis.

Weren't a couple either Egyptians or Palestinians?

So we invaded
Iraq.

Don't forget all the old ladies who had to be fondled in airports.

Makes sense to me. (sheesh)

Me too. If the shrub had been President in December of 1941, we'd have
conquered Mexico City by June of '42.

Cheers

--mike


And lost the Hispanic vote? Never!

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Vaughn"
Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
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This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight
terrorists?


Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq.

I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in
Iraq
now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to
Iraq
because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local
recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism
activity
in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab
countries.
Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now
thrown
open
the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work.

I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't
9-11
and
it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed
to
have
something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission
accomplished"),
but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect.

Vaughn


Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. So we
invaded
Iraq. Makes sense to me. (sheesh)

Then why were you one of the louder "Yeah, let's do it!" and "Screw the
French for not supporting us" types a year ago?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 6/1/04 1:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: General Zinni on Sixty Minutes
From: "Vaughn"
Date: 5/31/04 6:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Vaughn" wrote in message
...

This from the guy who thinks we went to Iraq to fight
terrorists?


Informed people understand we're fighting terrorists in Iraq.

I will concede that we may actually be fighting a few terrorists in
Iraq
now, but they are likely foreign "true believers" who have gravitated to
Iraq
because our guys are there (and have perhaps by now managed some local
recruiting). There was very little documented international terrorism
activity
in Iraq before we invaded, certainly less than in certain other Arab
countries.
Don't forget; Iraq was a comparatively secular society. We have now
thrown
open
the gates for the religious crazies to come in to Iraq and do their work.

I still haven't figured out what Iraq is all about, but it wasn't
9-11
and
it has little or nothing to do with terrorism. Perhaps it was supposed
to
have
something to do with assuring Bush's second term (thus "mission
accomplished"),
but today it seems more likely to have the opposite effect.

Vaughn


Lrt's review the bidding. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis. So we
invaded
Iraq. Makes sense to me. (sheesh)

Then why were you one of the louder "Yeah, let's do it!" and "Screw the
French for not supporting us" types a year ago?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer


Who knew we were being lied to about WMD? We never should have believed that
bum and his neocon liars..


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Then why were you one of the louder "Yeah, let's do it!" and "Screw the
French for not supporting us" types a year ago?

Brooks



Arthur Kramer


Who knew we were being lied to about WMD? We never should have believed
that
bum and his neocon liars..


A lot of people, including me, supported the war but we were played for fools.

I was watching "Meet the Press" @ six weeks ago and Tim Russert asked Bremer to
whom were we turning over control on 30 June.

Bremer's answer:

"That's a good question, Tim."

Five thousand casualties, and that's the answer?

I don't need a general to tell me that the Busihes screwed up.

Art, you were damned lucky to go to war under a great president like FDR.

Walt

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Who knew we were being lied to about WMD? We never should
have believed that bum and his neocon liars..


To date, nobody has shown any statement made by the Bush administration in
support of the war to be a lie.