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Galland has a right to his opinion- all jet flyers do. There are those today who would pick foreign aircraft to fly other than our own. But then again Galland only flew the Me-262... he never flew a Vril-7 or Haunebu disc, did he? Yeah, as General in charge of all fighter aircraft, his clearance apparently didn't reach "Ridiculous", to allow him to even hear about such craft. What do you think his comments would have been if he flew those craft? "I felt as if the devil was pushing!" They got plenty of single-engine time due to engine failure. Doesn't mean a thing. Had they removed the synthetics and weaker materials and replaced them with what the Germans had wanted to use in the Jumo 004 then they would have gotten excellent results. sooo, then it wouldnt have been a Jumo 004B, would it? It would have been an American version that would have been, uhh, better than the German one. Right...? BTW, Wright's flight handbook for the Me-262 dated 1946 (an official document) claims the Me-262 could do Mach 1 in a shallow dive. So who cares about your engine flame-out comments? Ever try to go Mach 1 in an aircraft that is unpowered? Hint: Jumo engine pod designers had no concept of how to spike the shock wave as it entered the engine. That means, once you get to your critical Mach #, the show is over. Gordon ====(A+C==== USN SAR Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone. |
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Quick, somebody call me an ambulance, I think I'm going to have a
stroke!!! Why can't you invent your own ambulance? Ahh, yes - the ambulance. Yet another triumph of the Third Reich. |
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Refer to earlier post, the DB 109-016 was tested in March 1945 at 28,652 lb thrust- the world's greatest jet engine of the time. Except for some mock up bits, the DB109-016 was never built or ran, neither did any number of other fairly ambitious designs. But neither did any number of Allied projects of the same period that were, in their own way, just as advanced. The German effort in such was driven by desperation, while the Allies didn't have the same level of pressure, so could afford to be more conservative, but certainly had the wherewithal to get advanced/exotic if they had to. That Germans were the first to connect some dots in some engineering which deserves some appropriate historical footnote, but there simply isn't anything special about the Germans for having done so. It is like suggesting that Glenn Curtis was "better" than the Wrights for hinged ailerons instead of wing warping, and that anyone who used ailerons afterwards was some kind of thief/mental midget for adopting the idea. Basic physics would have lead anyone to the same conclusion/solutions for all kinds of stuff, WHEN is simply a matter of circumstance. |
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
om... Quick, somebody call me an ambulance OK, you're an ambulance. |
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1) Arthur Sack A.S.6: Private circular aircraft, one prototype, constructed 1944, mostly made of wood with Me-108 cockpit and landing gear and Argus engine. Flown by Me-163 pilot at Brandis in 1944. A few hops and crashes due to misplacement of gear, low engine hp, and poor rear control surfaces. Cut up for firewood. Photos exist- all real and confirmed. A simple disc shaped plan form, like any number of other ultra-short aspect ratio aircraft ideas out of the '30s. Very much not a "UFO" prototypes. ( a lot of silly mostly Sci-Fi style fantasy or, more likely, post war hoax stuff, though I would concede that there may well have been paper projects using all kinds of voodoo "science" among the particularly crackpot fringe of the Nazis) So Andreas there seems to be a lot of proof that the Nazis were engaged in disc research throughout the entire war. Many were just patents and projects but some flew and the most successful are also the most elusive. As you can see the SS working with Thule/Vril; forcing Coanda, Schauberger, Schriever, and scientists to perform; and stealing patents from various nations all played a part in the exotic disc construction programs. IMO, the victorious Allies only got the more primitive jet designs because that is the direction immediate postwar disc programs took. No equivalent to the RFZ, Vril, or Haunebu series came about until FFX propulsion became available in the late 80s or early 90s. The supposed NRO TR-3B ASTRA uses a similar engine to the Thule Triebwerke but is not a disc- its a black triangle. Rob p.s. In the list I did not include the Lippisch disc designs nor the Hortens because they were strictly postwar studies at the request of the US. |
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Invented It... Face It
In article , (robert arndt) wrote: Art Kramer in a German thread and NO mention of the B-26 Marauder? Quick, somebody call me an ambulance, I think I'm going to have a stroke!!! Why can't you invent your own ambulance? Haven't you heard? The ambulance was invented in his country by the Waffen SS then modified to a horse drawn version and sent back in time to the Napoleonic Wars using a Nazi designed and covered up by the U.S.A. time machine that only he knows about. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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robert arndt wrote:
engines, which created rotating electromagnetic fields, very similar to the suspected engines of the black craft flying today... only the Sigh, Nicola Tesla developed the concept of rotating electromagnetic fields years before WW2, and they are the basis for cheap electric motors world wide. Look up, synchronous AC motors. Nothing mysterious or uber-tech about it. The only bad part about this is that Tesla had a bunch of crackpot ideas too, so it's hard to seperate the real contributions he made from the more fanciful stuff. Bill Ranck Blacksburg, Va. |
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That Germans were the first to connect some dots in some engineering which deserves some appropriate historical footnote, but there simply isn't anything special about the Germans for having done so. It is like suggesting that Glenn Curtis was "better" than the Wrights for hinged ailerons instead of wing warping, and that anyone who used ailerons afterwards was some kind of thief/mental midget for adopting the idea. Basic physics would have lead anyone to the same conclusion/solutions for all kinds of stuff, WHEN is simply a matter of circumstance. Yeah its rather silly and intellectually lazy, to assume we, or anyone else, would have never thought of a high altitude recon aircraft, and its only because the germans were working on a project like that, that we have the U-2. But then considering how we have to hear here about how the Germans flew first, how they went supersonic first, how it must have been some fluke that Germany was defeated, how they have had super secret UFOs, etc etc.. There is being proud of your heritage and ancestry, and then there is just being plain delusional too. Ron Tanker 65, C-54E (DC-4) |
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