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wrote in message ... robert arndt wrote: engines, which created rotating electromagnetic fields, very similar to the suspected engines of the black craft flying today... only the Sigh, Nicola Tesla developed the concept of rotating electromagnetic fields years before WW2, and they are the basis for cheap electric motors world wide. 1882 to be precise. Keith |
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"robert arndt" wrote Galland has a right to his opinion- all jet flyers do. There are those today who would pick foreign aircraft to fly other than our own. But then again Galland only flew the Me-262... he never flew a Vril-7 or Haunebu disc, did he? What do you think his comments would have been if he flew those craft? His comments might have been "Ok..it flies, but not nearly as good as a regular aircraft" If disc planform aircraft are soooo good, where are they? 50-60 years later, and there are zero flying discs in general use. Somewhere between Gossamer Albatross and the 747, the P-51 and the F-22, someone, somewhere would have reproduced the general concept. And if it worked, they'd be using it. Hell...the German engineers that went to the US and Russia would have said "Hey guys, try this! These things worked really well for us." Since to date we have seen none, it must be assumed that the disc was a waystation on the way to actual functional aircraft. Much as the steam engine was a waystation on the way to the IC engine in automobiles. Something to be tried, and then tossed away as "well...it looked like a good idea anyway". Oh..I know where they are. The evil US government is monitoring *all* heavier than air development, everywhere in the world. And supressing any disc-based investigations. Or simply paying them off and keeping the aircraft at Area 51. Along with the old German scientists' cadavers. Pete |
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Erich Adler wrote
I see that no civil discussion can take place here despite the fact that you "adults" claim to cherish military aviation. So why all the fuss about German aircraft, jets or otherwise? To learn about German Jet design: http://www.germancross.com/ |
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(Julious Cesar)
snip To learn about German Jet design: http://www.germancross.com/ According to that website the SS were a voice of reason, the U.S. air forces straffed children because Luftwaffe aircraft were too difficult to shoot down, Nazi Germany was misunderstood, the Allies "murdered" Germans like Hoess( commander of Auschwitz-Berkenau etc. and everything was a Jewish plot. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired |
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ANDREW ROBERT BREEN wrote:
In article , Peter Stickney wrote: snip American and US companies were already working on axial flow designs before the end of the war. They knew very well that the centrifugal design had a limited scope for development but they also knew it would be easier to produce a reliable engine that way. This turned out to be correct. Could argue that - in Britain at least - we lost interest in the centrifugal flow engine just a touch too early. There was very little interest in the Nene, IIRC, which is why it was regarded as OK to sell the design to Russia (while hanging on tight to the Sapphire and Avon). Of course, the Nene worked very well in MiG15 (and also, IIRC, in the Tunnen as well as a few other designs). In fact it must have been the last centrifugal flow engine to power an aircraft in combat - when did the Indian Sea Hawks go? snip Mid-'80s IIRC, but there were MiG-17/-17Fs (VK-1/1F, a Nene copy) )in combat (Vietnam 1972, Oct. 73, plus probably smaller wars since that Vic Flintham will no doubt list) after the Sea Hawks (Dec. 1971) last fired in anger. Guy |
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In article ,
Guy Alcala wrote: ANDREW ROBERT BREEN wrote: have been the last centrifugal flow engine to power an aircraft in combat - when did the Indian Sea Hawks go? snip Mid-'80s IIRC, but there were MiG-17/-17Fs (VK-1/1F, a Nene copy) )in combat (Vietnam 1972, Oct. 73, plus probably smaller wars since that Vic Flintham will no doubt list) after the Sea Hawks (Dec. 1971) last fired in anger. of course - the 17 used the Nene clone as well. I'd forgotten that. For an engine that the Air Ministry thought was hopelessly outdated in 194grumble, the Nene didn't do half badly.. -- Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) |
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In article , Pete wrote:
"robert arndt" wrote Galland has a right to his opinion- all jet flyers do. There are those today who would pick foreign aircraft to fly other than our own. But then again Galland only flew the Me-262... he never flew a Vril-7 or Haunebu disc, did he? What do you think his comments would have been if he flew those craft? His comments might have been "Ok..it flies, but not nearly as good as a regular aircraft" Or, given the problems with stability that were encountered when someone (Avro Canada, IIRC) actually *built* a disc instead of just making up stories about them: "Ooooooooooooohhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii..." crunch HTH. -- Andy Breen ~ Interplanetary Scintillation Research Group http://users.aber.ac.uk/azb/ "Time has stopped, says the Black Lion clock and eternity has begun" (Dylan Thomas) |
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robert arndt wrote:
{snippo ...] So Andreas there seems to be a lot of proof that the Nazis were engaged in disc research throughout the entire war. "Proof"? Come on, gimme a break! You just retold the same old stories and didn't quote _a single_ source on any of the weirder parts. You only say "Photos exist" - where? And I mean genuine photos or negatives, which can be examined for fakery and not - as I already said - blurry digital images on less-than-reliable websites. And BTW, patents are no proof whatsoever that something can actually be built, let alone that it was actually built. You can patent almost everything as long as it's unique - you do _not_ have to show that your invention could actually work. Andreas |
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