Investigators Say Student Pilots Should Be Flagged

Stealth Pilot wrote:

I hope that someone takes the air traffic controller and the ****** in
the meridian out and beats them senseless.
the kid had the right of way and neither had the right to do what they
did.
it is called a go around folks and every meridian can do one.
the pair of ******* just killed a pilot through combined negligence.
dont let them get away with it.

What exactly did the pilot of the Meridian do that has upset you so?

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Britain's Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) is recommending that
student pilots on solo flights be identified by a radio call-sign prefix so
air traffic controllers can take into account their limited experience and
knowledge.

Will this also apply to inexperienced air traffic controllers?

Student pilots are advised to tell ATC that they are student pilots; I don't
see any reason why they must be "flagged." They are not trying to keep it a
secret.

On Jul 17, 12:23 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder"
wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote:
Not IMHO a bad idea really. When I was training and flew to controlled
airspace for XC flights it was suggested that I mention I was a student and
they did seem to slow things down a little.

I can see how a uniform way of doing this might be helpful both in
controlled and uncontrolled airspace. Example, "Bumfigle Tower, Cessna
Student 1234A, ...."


I had a side thought that is somewhat similar; I was watching/
listening to a recording of a mayday flight in (I believe) Britain,
and the communications initiated from the pilot of the emergency craft
prefixed his callsign with Mayday (e.g. Mayday Company 1234 is turning
to heading 120 requesting runway 5R). I don't remember the exact
details, but it was a bird strike on takeoff (i think the vid is on
youtube).

Anyway, I bring it up because of a previous discussion regarding the
ATC handling of the American flight that ended up "accepting" a runway
assignment that was somewhat inappropriate for their situation. From
what I remember, some of the ATC transcripts involved an initial
landline comm between approach and tower, with approach requesting the
tailwind runway, but not telling tower that the pilot had declared an
emergency. If the AA pilot was prefixing his callsign with the
"mayday" tag, the first communcation between him and twr would have
alerted the tower controller that the runway request was not
"ordinary". (of course, IIRC, the initial controller told the pilot
to squawk 7700 as well which would be yet another reminder). It seems
(to me at least) that it could also help with the following:
New pilots on frequency would be immediately aware of the emergency
situation being handled on the frequency,
Controllers would be reminded of the priority of the flight's
handling,
On initial callup on a handoff by the emergency craft, the new
controller would be immediately reminded of the mayday sit.

I trained at a Class D under Class B and I never used (nor felt the
need to use) the "S" word during my lessons or solo flights.

I work in sports TV and I'm certain that gave me a big leg up on
dealing with comms. When I'm at work, I wear a headset, I listen to
multiple faceless voices while scanning multiple screens, all the
while having to remain focused on specific tasks yet keep the big
picture in mind. Sure sounds like flying to me.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ
www.pbase.com/flyingphotog

Jay Beckman writes:

I work in sports TV and I'm certain that gave me a big leg up on
dealing with comms. When I'm at work, I wear a headset, I listen to
multiple faceless voices while scanning multiple screens, all the
while having to remain focused on specific tasks yet keep the big
picture in mind. Sure sounds like flying to me.

Listening to voices and conversing with them are two very different things.

On Jul 19, 1:36 pm, Jay Beckman wrote:
I trained at a Class D under Class B and I never used (nor felt the
need to use) the "S" word during my lessons or solo flights.

I work in sports TV and I'm certain that gave me a big leg up on
dealing with comms. When I'm at work, I wear a headset, I listen to
multiple faceless voices while scanning multiple screens, all the
while having to remain focused on specific tasks yet keep the big
picture in mind. Sure sounds like flying to me.

Many years ago when I was a student pilot I was probably in the safest
period of my flying life.
I was on a familiar field and under the supervision of at least 2
instructors.
And a tower that could handle a pilot who could and once did say
'Negative" as they tried to clear me to land crosswind.
The term IS 'pilot in command'
On the various crosscountries I did toward my PPL I'd been briefed
upon the different airfields that I would be landing at and had to do
a weather check before the next leg...
And after gaining my PPL apart from checkrides and type ratings I was
more or less left to my own resources