Looking for the first plane

On 30 Jul 2007 06:40:10 GMT, Blanche wrote:

Jon Woellhaf wrote:
My $0.02:

I've decided I can't stand the idea of a plane that has no door and/or no
operable window on the pilot's side.

Jon
C182Q

wanna know how fast the pilot's window in my cherokee becomes
the 2nd door? I carry a 3 D-Cell maglite just for this purpose.
Just in case...I've also been told that it will pop out if I hit it
with my arm.

Easily...Even a small bird is sufficient. A few years ago a 140
landing at 3BS took a small bird through the prop which caused it to
loop around the windshield and into the window beside the pilot. It
basically removed the window. They said it got really drafty in
there. :-))

On Jul 29, 8:08 am, "Cecil E. Chapman"
wrote:
I won't be getting it for a couple of years and whatever I picked would be
an older plane. It will be for (or slightly before) my 50th birthday.

I wanted to ask what the group thought about a Cherokee 140 as a first
plane? In talking with my fellow CFI's most of them think I would find the
climb performance too much of a dog to be useful for even pleasure flying.
Some have suggested a Warrior, instead.

I'm not sure what they are talking about. The P-140 is a great 2 place
plane as a first airplane. Its got better handling than the C-172 and
handles much more like a high performance airplane (not as sloppy in
the air as a Cessna).

-Robert, CFII

ugliest damn plane ever made...

Dave wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:

sheepish grin..... Yeah I know,,, the mission is part of the
determinant and I've read and heard that 'till I thought my ears and
eyes would fall off g... .... It would be used for both local,
intrastate flights and a once a year long, interstate flight (as in
across the U.S. to the other end Grin). Instructing in one would
not be an interest at all,,, both in terms of liability/insurance
costs nor would I likely be as good as an instructor if it were my own
plane I were using to instruct in (i.e., jumping in when it looks like
a primary student is going to bounce my 'baby' g).

Reason I didn't toss in the 'mission' use is that I've talked to
others who have the plane and they use it for just the variety I
described. The few I've heard lament about the slow cruise of the 140
when compared to aircraft with more 'zoom',,, at least for me,,,, seem
to miss the boat as to why I fly anywhere anyway - that is,,,, the
destination is nice,,,, but it is the journey that makes it all
worthwhile.

I've gone in a C152 for a full day of flying (with fuel stops) and
enjoyed every minute of the journey - poking along at a 'blistering'
90 knots... always have. As I said before,,, persons who get fixated
on the destination,, imho,,, miss the point of the pleasure of being
'up there'....

Am I forgiven now for my slip..... grin

How about a nice Tripacer? pretty good speed, lots of ramp appeal and
can be had for a pretty good price.

Jon Kraus wrote in
:

ugliest damn plane ever made...

Naaaah, the PZL Wilga beats it. g


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I'm surprised anyone finds the Piper Tripacer ugly. I would go out of the
way to look at a nice one on the ramp and talk with the owner.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

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It is not work that kills men; it is worry. Worry is rust upon the blade.
"Jon Kraus" wrote in message
...
ugliest damn plane ever made...

Dave wrote:
Cecil E. Chapman wrote:

sheepish grin..... Yeah I know,,, the mission is part of the
determinant and I've read and heard that 'till I thought my ears and
eyes would fall off g... .... It would be used for both local,
intrastate flights and a once a year long, interstate flight (as in
across the U.S. to the other end Grin). Instructing in one would not
be an interest at all,,, both in terms of liability/insurance costs nor
would I likely be as good as an instructor if it were my own plane I
were using to instruct in (i.e., jumping in when it looks like a primary
student is going to bounce my 'baby' g).

Reason I didn't toss in the 'mission' use is that I've talked to others
who have the plane and they use it for just the variety I described.
The few I've heard lament about the slow cruise of the 140 when compared
to aircraft with more 'zoom',,, at least for me,,,, seem to miss the
boat as to why I fly anywhere anyway - that is,,,, the destination is
nice,,,, but it is the journey that makes it all worthwhile.

I've gone in a C152 for a full day of flying (with fuel stops) and
enjoyed every minute of the journey - poking along at a 'blistering' 90
knots... always have. As I said before,,, persons who get fixated on
the destination,, imho,,, miss the point of the pleasure of being 'up
there'....

Am I forgiven now for my slip..... grin

How about a nice Tripacer? pretty good speed, lots of ramp appeal and can
be had for a pretty good price.

"Mike Noel" wrote in message
. ..
I'm surprised anyone finds the Piper Tripacer ugly. I would go out of
the way to look at a nice one on the ramp and talk with the owner.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

No speaking for taste :~)

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Mike Noel" wrote in message
. ..
I'm surprised anyone finds the Piper Tripacer ugly. I would go out of
the way to look at a nice one on the ramp and talk with the owner.

--
Best Regards,
Mike

No speaking for taste :~)


It was my first airplane. Fun, Simple and classy. Having something
different makes it even more appealing.
Tons of fun to fly.
Thinking about trading in my span can bonanza and getting to the basics
again.
Tube and fabric is where its at.

Dave

Dave wrote:

It was my first airplane. Fun, Simple and classy. Having something
different makes it even more appealing.
Tons of fun to fly.

We have a local Tripacer owner who gives wake turbulence warnings as he
starts his takeoff roll. G

Personally, I think they're cute.

Thanks! A couple of my pilot friends have owned theirs for many years and
simply love it.

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Good Flights!

Cecil E. Chapman

Certificated Flight Instructor
Commercial Pilot, ASEL - Instrument Rated
Reid-Hillview Airport, San Jose, California

Member of:
National Association of Flight Instructors (NAFI)
Airplane Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA)
Experimental Pilots Association (EAA)

Check out my personal flying adventures from my first flight to the
checkride AND the continuing adventures beyond!
Complete with pictures and text at: www.bayareapilot.com

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery -

"We who fly, do so for the love of flying. We are alive in the air with
this miracle that lies in our hands and beneath our feet"
- Cecil Day Lewis -

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
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On Jul 29, 8:08 am, "Cecil E. Chapman"
wrote:
I won't be getting it for a couple of years and whatever I picked would
be
an older plane. It will be for (or slightly before) my 50th birthday.

I wanted to ask what the group thought about a Cherokee 140 as a first
plane? In talking with my fellow CFI's most of them think I would find
the
climb performance too much of a dog to be useful for even pleasure
flying.
Some have suggested a Warrior, instead.

I'm not sure what they are talking about. The P-140 is a great 2 place
plane as a first airplane. Its got better handling than the C-172 and
handles much more like a high performance airplane (not as sloppy in
the air as a Cessna).

-Robert, CFII

I'm a bit suprised that no one has suggested a Cessna 175
or even a Beech sport.
Lou