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George Shirley wrote in message news:
Most grunts referred to officers "advancing their careers" by serving a tour or part of a tour as "getting their ticket punched." Had to get a least some combat time for advancement. Many officers were there because that was the only war we had at the time and war means promotions, officer or enlisted lifer. And why is this a bad thing? I'd venture to say that most of the officers who volunteered to serve in SEA did so, not to save the USA from the Communist hordes, but because it was, indeed, "the only war we had"; going to war, if required, was what we all signed to do; and yes, anyone who expected to make a career as a warrior needed to prove that he could be one. If this is "ticket punching", then I'm guilty. Jim Thomas |
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Jim Thomas wrote:
George Shirley wrote in message news: Most grunts referred to officers "advancing their careers" by serving a tour or part of a tour as "getting their ticket punched." Had to get a least some combat time for advancement. Many officers were there because that was the only war we had at the time and war means promotions, officer or enlisted lifer. And why is this a bad thing? I'd venture to say that most of the officers who volunteered to serve in SEA did so, not to save the USA from the Communist hordes, but because it was, indeed, "the only war we had"; going to war, if required, was what we all signed to do; and yes, anyone who expected to make a career as a warrior needed to prove that he could be one. If this is "ticket punching", then I'm guilty. Jim Thomas I probably should have paragraphed between the ticket punchers and the officer volunteers Jim. I had no problem with the majority of them, just the ones who showed up, stayed the minimum time in a safe area and "got their ticket punched." A lot of my friends volunteered to go because that was their profession and they wanted to be where the action was. There were a great many very good officers and senior NCO's over there for the "only war we had." For those folks it wasn't ticket punching, it was a love of the profession of arms and the career they chose. If you were one of them good for you. George |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
The statements of fact are for the consideration of the lurkers who might otherwise find their ideas forever corrupted with simplistic propaganda. I understand this Ed, but its really killing this newsgroup. BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
Cute. Sort of like me calling transportation and identifying myself as "Captain" on a USN installation. I took full advantage of that on my one month tour on the USS Theodore Roosevelt. Unbelievable the attention and service you get when you call up and identify yourself as "Captain X from the MAAP cell" BUFDRVR "Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips everyone on Bear Creek" |
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"Jack" wrote in message ... Wrong! No American should have been drafted to serve in SEA. The professionals, with the proper leadership (read C in C), would have produced quite a different outcome in far less time. No, I'm not wrong. No American should have gone to that war. The US shouldn't have assisted France in reclaiming it's colony after WWII. After four years of German occupation the French should have learned something about oppression. |
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"D. Strang" wrote in message news:f4%Hc.21445$r3.17912@okepread03... I remember queuing up for a C-141 ride to Panama. This LtCol came out and told us that the Officers would get on first so they could pick the best seats, and the enlisted would get on second. Getting the best seats would require them to displace the flight crew. The C-141 was a great airplane, but a good ride it wasn't. |
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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
nk.net: "Ian MacLure" wrote in message ... Safety wasn't the problem. Drag was. The F-102 was supposed to be a supersonic aircraft but wasn't good for much beyond Mach 1. That would make it a supersonic aircraft. Yes strictly speaking I suppose it would however just barely. Mach 1.3 or so? Area ruling and an increase in power gave us the F-106, easily capable of Mach 2. The F-102A was area ruled. Seems I had the development history confabulated with the operational versions. Couldn't find the reference that talked the development issues which (IIRC) included area ruling to deal with unexpectedly high drag IBM __________________________________________________ _____________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com The Worlds Uncensored News Source |
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Ed Rasimus ) writes:
-snip- Sorry, Bill, but that simply isn't so. While "early outs" were becoming available for a few specialties as early as '71, Well, certainly much earlier than that. Heck -I- got an "early out" in the summer of '67 which cut almost three full months of my enlistment. the policy didn't apply to overseas tours which were strictly controlled. I seem to recall a couple members of my unit who received "early outs" which not only cut their enlistment terms but also were granted in advance of their scheduled DROS cutting a month or so off their scheduled RVN tours. But, it was a long time ago, perhaps I misremember. The only exception would be unit relocations, but not individuals. When the 469th TFS shut down at the end of FY '72, there were no early outs or early rotations back to CONUS. My second tour went from June of '72 to July of '73 with no availability of curtailment. Perhaps the Air Force policy on such things was different than that of the US Army? And, you really might want to look up the duration of Mr. Gore's overseas assignment. Everything I've seen sez it was early January, '71 through late May, '71 with a scheduled discharge date of August 5, '71. You have information to the contrary? -- "Cave ab homine unius libri" |
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