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and a new pilot/engineer is born.
I would rather see him do this than have him run 409 scams. Wil Come on guys. I say this is an "urban" legend. Except that its rural. All the hallmarks are the No picture or video of the contraption doing what its claimed it can do, no serious technicalities given, no real location. The angle of the only picture supplied prevents the ability to assess in any way the claim that this thing actually flys. You can't see a motor, the gas tank, the plumbing, or any supporting equipment. You can't see the controls. It looks positively nose heavy, overweight in general, and utterly un-airworthy. If this were real they'd have AT LEAST ONE picture of hit hovering -- and probably a youtube video of it as well. It would be something to amaze people with. Next thing you know they will have set up a website or blog asking for money to build the new project (the one that will hover 15 feet in the air) I think it's fanciful yard art -- and a practical joke on gizmodo. The Yahoo links don't work and the "raw feed" links to another blog. Right. It's internet BS. |
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On Jan 15, 3:21 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
Eight months! Who has built anything that flies in 8 months? .... The late Tim Crawford built a complex homebuilt that flew for a long time (a long EZ) in nine months. Its not the months or years, it's the hours. Took me about 2300 hours to build mine http://www.abri.com/sq2000 Some people do 2 hours per week and some 40. But the Nigerian unit is hardly complex - got only a few feet of the ground. So I say to all those guys putting him down, he still deserves credit for ambition - not that I would want to fly in the thing. And I don't agree with the hinted implication. Just because the kid is from Nigeria does not mean he is guaranteed to be dishonest..... Just because somebody is from North America does not guarantee they are honest. |
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Well as we said about an elderly gentleman we met at an airshow with his
homemade coaxial helicopter with a Geo engine connected such that the cyclic tilted the entire engine-drive train to obtain forward, sideways and rearward flight. It had no collective but just used more throttle to climb and less to descend. There were places where you could see the threads on the ends of the water piping used to make the frame. He was actively looking for a test pilot to try out his bird. I declined saying that while I was fearless, I lacked the necessary qualifications to test fly his bird. He didn't just set around talking, he built one that he learned a bunch from and was going to learn a bunch more if he tried to fly it. We did ask him to let us know if he was going to start it up. We had definite plans to move our helicopters to the other end of the field if he was going to demonstrate his bird. Our work producing the Experimental Helo magazine has brought us in contact with some pretty amazing devices. "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... William Hung wrote: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/homemade-...unk-313408.php Way to go Muhammed! Wil All he needs is my help in collecting his $18.2 million dollars. |
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cavelamb himself wrote:
An accomplishment? Or an accident looking for a crash site? The 12-meter-long aircraft, which has never flown above a height of seven feet, is powered by a secondhand 133 horsepower engine from a Honda Civic. In the basic cockpit there are two Toyota car seats, with a couple more in the cabin behind. Controls are simple, with an ignition button, an accelerator lever to control vertical thrust and a joystick that provides balance and bearing. A camera beneath the chopper connected to a small screen on the dash gives the pilot ground vision, and he communicates via a small transmitter. Mubarak says he learned the basics of helicopter flying through the internet after he decided it would be easier to build a chopper than a car. Flying his creation is easy, he claims. "You start it, allow it to run for a minute or two and you then shift the accelerator forward and the propeller on top begins to spin," he explains. "The further you shift the accelerator the faster it goes and once you reach 300 rpm you press the joystick and it takes off." Undeterred that his home-made transporter, which lives in a hangar on campus, lacks the gear to measure atmospheric pressure, altitude and humidity, Mubarak is working on a new machine which "will be a radical improvement on the first one in terms of sophistication and aesthetics." A two-seater with the ability to fly at 15 feet for three hours at a time, Mubarak's new creation will be powered by a brand-new motor straight from Taiwan, normally found in motorbikes. I make it an accomplishment, AND probably also an accident waiting to happen;hopefully not. Just figuring out the hard numbers and applying them to available parts and achieving untethered flight for even a few feet, considering everything involved in doing that, marks this fellow as someone with unusual talent. Fron the looks of that thing however, I sincerely hope some legitimate helo company offers this guy a steady job before his talent ends up being wasted by his experimenting any deeper into the highly complicated world of helo flying. After accomplishing what he has done already, I'd not like to see him injured or killed for lack of suitable employment. -- Dudley Henriques |
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Dudley Henriques wrote in
: cavelamb himself wrote: An accomplishment? Or an accident looking for a crash site? The 12-meter-long aircraft, which has never flown above a height of seven feet, is powered by a secondhand 133 horsepower engine from a Honda Civic. In the basic cockpit there are two Toyota car seats, with a couple more in the cabin behind. Controls are simple, with an ignition button, an accelerator lever to control vertical thrust and a joystick that provides balance and bearing. A camera beneath the chopper connected to a small screen on the dash gives the pilot ground vision, and he communicates via a small transmitter. Mubarak says he learned the basics of helicopter flying through the internet after he decided it would be easier to build a chopper than a car. Flying his creation is easy, he claims. "You start it, allow it to run for a minute or two and you then shift the accelerator forward and the propeller on top begins to spin," he explains. "The further you shift the accelerator the faster it goes and once you reach 300 rpm you press the joystick and it takes off." Undeterred that his home-made transporter, which lives in a hangar on campus, lacks the gear to measure atmospheric pressure, altitude and humidity, Mubarak is working on a new machine which "will be a radical improvement on the first one in terms of sophistication and aesthetics." A two-seater with the ability to fly at 15 feet for three hours at a time, Mubarak's new creation will be powered by a brand-new motor straight from Taiwan, normally found in motorbikes. I make it an accomplishment, AND probably also an accident waiting to happen;hopefully not. Just figuring out the hard numbers and applying them to available parts and achieving untethered flight for even a few feet, considering everything involved in doing that, marks this fellow as someone with unusual talent. Fron the looks of that thing however, I sincerely hope some legitimate helo company offers this guy a steady job before his talent ends up being wasted by his experimenting any deeper into the highly complicated world of helo flying. After accomplishing what he has done already, I'd not like to see him injured or killed for lack of suitable employment. Plenty of crap for him to jury rig in Nigeria. They still make ( or at least did a few years ago) the VW Beetle and the old Peugot 504, whihc have to be the two hardiest cars ever made judgine by thr amount of abuse the Nigerians give them.I can see a few Peugot parts in that heli, I think. The Air Force also make the RV6A as a trainer, dubbing it the "Air Beetle" after the VW. they use them as Air force trainers. So, there are things for the enterprising engineer to do there! Bertie |
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But the Nigerian unit is hardly complex - got only a few feet of the
ground. Really? Do you *know* this? No one on this list has seen the aircraft flying, nor a video of it flying, nor a picture of it flying. If a link to a legitimate new source can be found (not to a blog), then it will at least be some evidence. As it stands now, there is no evidence this is anything but a hoax. |
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On Jan 15, 12:43*pm, wrote:
But the Nigerian unit is hardly complex - got only a few feet of the ground. Really? Do you *know* this? No one on this list has seen the aircraft flying, nor a video of it flying, nor a picture of it flying. If a link to a legitimate new source can be found (not to a blog), then it will at least be some evidence. As it stands now, there is no evidence this is anything but a hoax. "new" should be "news" Also I got nothing against Nigerians, if one of the above was hinting that I was hinting that Nigerians are scam artists. My DE was Nigerian. An excellent pilot from my perspective. I don't think he was scamming me, nor was he a hoax. |
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On Jan 15, 12:43 pm, wrote:
But the Nigerian unit is hardly complex - got only a few feet of the ground. Really? Do you *know* this? No one on this list has seen the aircraft flying, nor a video of it flying, nor a picture of it flying. If a link to a legitimate new source can be found (not to a blog), then it will at least be some evidence. OK. Maybe you are right. Some of us will have to arrange a trip to Nigeria to verify it. You go ahead, I can't afford it. As it stands now, there is no evidence this is anything but a hoax. So where is this evidence that it is a hoax? Lets see this logic. If a report is from the western world it is assumed true (innocent until proven guilty). If a report is from Nigeria (and some other places) than it is assumed to be a hoax (guilty, of anything we want to assume, until proven innocent). I am not leaving out the possibility that it is inaccurate or a hoax or whatever. But we got to give all a fair chance without jumping to conclusions - even though notorious scams come from Nigeria. |
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OK. Maybe you are right. Some of us will have to arrange a trip to
Nigeria to verify it. You go ahead, I can't afford it. Not worth my time. The burden of proof for a claim like this is on the person making the claim, not the person reading about the claim. How hard can it be for Muhammed to have a friend take a picture of the contraption in flight? Not as hard as making it fly, I presume. So where is this evidence that it is a hoax? Lack of credulity on my part: 1) Failure to show the aircraft in flight. 2) No valid source exists for the news as reported by the blogs. The "Yahoo" link is bogus. The "raw feed" link is merely another blog. 3) The craft looks like it can't fly for various reasons. 4) It was built from junk in 8 months of spare time. He found all these parts in a junk yard and made them work together for controlled helicopter flight in eight months -- but only in his SPARE TIME. Hmm. Must have a lot of that spare time and some damned fine junk yards at his disposal. 5) No machining required. Apparently he didn't have to machine ANYTHING for a completely custom, one-off vehicle. Or does he have lathes and other machine tooling stuff at his ready disposal? Welders, sheet metal manipulating equipment, digital equipment and interfaces to make the "joystick" work as a controller. That stuff takes time. More time than 8 months of spare time. And you know, he's never done anything like this before! This would be an amazing, and very unlikely, job to pull off ANYWHERE in the world. Lets see this logic. If a report is from the western world it is assumed true (innocent until proven guilty). If a report is from Nigeria (and some other places) than it is assumed to be a hoax (guilty, of anything we want to assume, until proven innocent). It has nothing to do with location in my opinion. If that contraption were in my neighbor's backyard here in "the western world" and he said, "hey, it flies. It flies up to 7 feet in the air," I'd say "great, let's see it." It has to do with lack of evidence that flight was ever performed in the unique device pictured in a single picture only SITTING FIRMLY ON THE GROUND. The burden is not on me to prove that it can fly or that it can't. It's at least possible I think, so, let's see it. Is it too much to ask to see more pictures before you believe a story like this? |
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