Fly Boy ?????

Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal about old
man Bush???

Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal about
old
man Bush???

The place he was shot down was a cannabalistic hell - everyone that went down
over Chichi Jima died in their a/c or got murdered by their captors, with two
exceptions. One was flown to Japan for interrorgation, the other was George
Bush. He pushed out to face the sea in his raft while everyone else allowed
themselves to be captured. He alone returned, for whatever fate intended. The
book "Flyboys" is intensely interesting and gives a lot of insight into why the
other airmen were eaten by the Japanese officers, to strengthen their fighting
spirit. The depravity of the murders, often by Japanese soldiers who had
become friends with their victims, is well explained by comments by all
participants. Its horrifying as well as enlightening - and you finish the book
feeling that Bush was not saved by chance alone.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: nt (Gordon)
Date: 10/20/03 4:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal about
old
man Bush???

The place he was shot down was a cannabalistic hell - everyone that went down
over Chichi Jima died in their a/c or got murdered by their captors, with two
exceptions. One was flown to Japan for interrorgation, the other was George
Bush. He pushed out to face the sea in his raft while everyone else allowed
themselves to be captured. He alone returned, for whatever fate intended.
The
book "Flyboys" is intensely interesting and gives a lot of insight into why
the
other airmen were eaten by the Japanese officers, to strengthen their
fighting
spirit. The depravity of the murders, often by Japanese soldiers who had
become friends with their victims, is well explained by comments by all
participants. Its horrifying as well as enlightening - and you finish the
book
feeling that Bush was not saved by chance alone.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."


Yeah. War is hell.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: (ArtKramr)
Date: 10/20/03 4:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: nt (Gordon)
Date: 10/20/03 4:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:


Thousands flew in the air war in WW II. What the hell is the big deal about
old
man Bush???

The place he was shot down was a cannabalistic hell - everyone that went
down
over Chichi Jima died in their a/c or got murdered by their captors, with
two
exceptions. One was flown to Japan for interrorgation, the other was George
Bush. He pushed out to face the sea in his raft while everyone else allowed
themselves to be captured. He alone returned, for whatever fate intended.
The
book "Flyboys" is intensely interesting and gives a lot of insight into why
the
other airmen were eaten by the Japanese officers, to strengthen their
fighting
spirit. The depravity of the murders, often by Japanese soldiers who had
become friends with their victims, is well explained by comments by all
participants. Its horrifying as well as enlightening - and you finish the
book
feeling that Bush was not saved by chance alone.

v/r
Gordon
====(A+C====
USN SAR Aircrew

"Got anything on your radar, SENSO?"
"Nothing but my forehead, sir."


Yeah. War is hell.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer



Lets assume that half of it is true.But I think the wirters were doing a sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

Lets assume that half of it is true.But I think the wirters were doing a
sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

Art, I think you are a bit better than that. Just because you are not a fan of
the Bushes, does not mean you should denegrate the author of the book. I see
no reason to attack the author like that.



Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter

"Ron" wrote in message

Lets assume that half of it is true.But I think the wirters were doing a
sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

Art, I think you are a bit better than that. Just because you are not a
fan of
the Bushes, does not mean you should denegrate the author of the book. I
see
no reason to attack the author like that.

Ron
Pilot/Wildland Firefighter


If you ignore the jealous old fart he will go away.

ArtKramr wrote:

nt (Gordon)

The place he was shot down was a cannabalistic hell - everyone that went down
over Chichi Jima died in their a/c or got murdered by their captors, with two
exceptions. One was flown to Japan for interrorgation, the other was George
Bush. He pushed out to face the sea in his raft while everyone else allowed
themselves to be captured. He alone returned, for whatever fate intended. The
book "Flyboys" is intensely interesting and gives a lot of insight into why the
other airmen were eaten by the Japanese officers, to strengthen their fighting
spirit. The depravity of the murders, often by Japanese soldiers who had
become friends with their victims, is well explained by comments by all
participants. Its horrifying as well as enlightening - and you finish the book
feeling that Bush was not saved by chance alone.

Lets assume that half of it is true.But I think the wirters were doing a sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

Because the subject of the book is a prominent political figure, the possibility
of embellishment for political benefit is certainly there for any writing.

However, I would think you would have to read the book in order to make any such
judgment.

I haven't read it (sounds like a good book), so I can't offer my opinion, but I
get the impression you haven't either.


SMH

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: Stephen Harding
Date: 10/20/03 11:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

Because the subject of the book is a prominent political figure, the
possibility
of embellishment for political benefit is certainly there for any writing.

Why wan't this book written ten years ago?. Or 5 years ago? Why now just before
an election?
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Lets assume that half of it is true.

Well, I have to give him greater credit than that - the author had access to
all of the war crimes trial records and assembled a well-researched book that I
haven't seen anyone tear apart yet. His prose is a bit over the top at times,
like when he talks of the sights and smells on a carrier in the context of the
WWII Essex class boats, and he mentions the smell of "jet fuel". A few small
mistakes like that, plus a writer likes to overuse phrases, but the end result
is well written book about a ghastly moment in human history. WEB Griffin and
other professional historians were impressed, and I think the book is worth a
read, if you don't mind a few unpleasant mental images. I came away with it
with a better understanding of George H.W. Bush as a man. No such revelations
are waiting to be revealed about his son - I believe that he will be remembered
quite harshly by history.

But I think the wirters were doing a
sales
job to engrandise the Bush name for the next election.

I couldn't confuse the two men and nothing either of them could say would
change my opinion of the current administration. I believe that politicians
should be required to wear similar coveralls to race-car drivers, with all of
their sponsors listed or represented by garrish logos. Our president has
obliterated our country's reputation in the world, and the majority of the
world and a good part of our own citizenry know it. I love my country and
can't believe how much one presidency has altered the world's perception of us.

v/r
Gordon

Subject: Fly Boy ?????
From: nt (Gordon)
Date: 10/21/03 7:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: 20031021102249.19539.00

I couldn't confuse the two men and nothing either of them could say would
change my opinion of the current administration. I believe that politicians
should be required to wear similar coveralls to race-car drivers, with all of
their sponsors listed or represented by garrish logos. Our president has
obliterated our country's reputation in the world, and the majority of the
world and a good part of our own citizenry know it. I love my country and
can't believe how much one presidency has altered the world's perception of
us.

v/r
Gordon




Y'know, I've always liked you Gordon. (grin)



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer