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"Jim Fisher" wrote in message
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"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
The gay population has become the new 'coloreds' - get over your
bigotry. Live and let live.

You pushed a button, Cecil. I see this kind of statement repeated with
sickening frequency

Comparing gay folks to "colored" people is just utter bullsquat. If I
were black, I'd smack people who say this upside the face. If you weren't
such a generally nice feller, this honkey would wanna smack you.

Black folks suffered brutally for hundreds of years right here in America.
Many still suffer today from generations of whip-toting, slave-owning,
water-cannon-wielding white folks denying them basic, God given,
Constitutional rights to equal treatment by their representative
government.

Not one should is denying gay folks their constitutional rights to
practice their behavior in private . . . or even in public. They can
vote. They can get elected to office. They can hold powerful positions
in the media and corporate America.

Hell, they can even fly a high wing airplanes.

But they can't get married and they can't fly low wing planes. That's
just they way it is.

To say that "Denying sexually aberrant citizens 'marital' status is akin
to human rights abuses endured by black Americans" is an affront to my,
and your, intelligence.

Bull**** - why shouldn't they have a right to take advantage of "marriage?"
Also, the gays/queers/fags have suffered brutally. They are still routinely
victims of hate crimes. Now, here I am sounding like a liberal, but tht is
not the case. I would never vote for the socialist, I mean democratic
party, but for all love, why this unbending rule against "marriage" for
queers?

Perhaps that analogy is not quite right, but there is no excuse for the
gubment to take moral stands and deny certain status to some citizens that
are routinely granted to others?



--
Jim Fisher

*"Sexually aberrant" is defined as a behavior that is outside the norm.
Homosexuality might become a "normal" behavior in the distant future but
for now it is an aberration, pure and simple.

Uh huh. Which polls are these? Are they compiled by the same ones
compiling the exit polling data?

This is a prime example of the ignorance of so many people. The exit polls
on election day were actually amazingly accurate. What many people like
you should learn before you start spouting off is what actually happened.
Results from the exit polls was leaked before the polls were complete,
i.e. around 3 or 4 pm, before the polls were closed.

I heard a terrific explanation of this exit polling phenomenon at the
airport today, from an old gray-head sitting in the terminal building...

He said "OF COURSE the exit polls showed Kerry ahead early in the day -- all
the Republicans work for a living, and couldn't vote till after 6 PM!"

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In effect, government payees generate additional income for YOU, by
helping to reduce your costs in many ways. It would cost you a bundle if
you tried to achieve and maintain the same standard of life without any of
them.

While that's 100% true, it has nothing to do with my statement.

People who work for the government generate no real income, create no real
wealth, and pay no real taxes. This is different from saying that they
aren't doing some necessary things.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Cecil, very eloquently written. Partisanship has almost become a
religion that gets passed down through the generations. Both republicans
and democrats are guilty of this. This is exactly what needs to change
in our country. It would be easy for a fascist to manipulate this
undying devotion to a political party and get into power.





"Cecil Chapman" wrote in
m:

Stupidly, they nominated a guy whose political positions were to the
left of Ted Kennedy's, absolutely ensuring a Bush victory.

There were many traditional Republicans out here -- myself included
-- who would have voted for a conservative Democrat in this election.
But there was just no way for any of us to vote for a guy like
Kerry.

The moral for the Democrats: Don't ever nominate an ultra liberal to
run for president again.

I have often wondered how some people come to the conclusions that
they do. Jay,,, for goodness sake you sound like you are a sock-puppet
mouthing the words of his puppeteer (Bush - who was famous for the
'Kerry's just like T. Kennedy' line). Kerry was far left? How,
where? If anything he was as centrist as Clinton was. You'd think he
belonged to the Communist party to hear the prattle that is coming off
of your tongue.

Unlike the man whose words you mouth, Kerry didn't pull special favors
to get into the National Guard to avoid the draft (he VOLUNTEERED for
duty), Kerry was never arrested DUI, nor was he a cocaine user. While
our boys were ducking bullets and embroiled in a hopeless conflict -
Bush was having beer parties with the boys - occasionally remembering
to show up for National Guard duty. Also, I'll bet you never even
took the time to watch the footage of Kerry before the special hearing
on Vietnam (which Bush would refer to often, without even citing a
single in-context quote from) when Kerry spoke most eloquently without
political bile of what was wrong with the Vietnam War and how it was a
mistake. He did this AFTER having been there (something Bush in his
petty cowardice, never did). He went there, saw how things were going
and recognized that we (the US) had made a mistake. There wasn't a
single misspoken word in his speech, back then (you see, unlike you, I
took it upon myself to view all the footage of the hearing - before
forming my opinions). Does integrity mean anything to you?

I worry about a country where there are individuals that can be so
easily molded with a political dogma and never bother to question or
actively challenge the ideas that are being presented to them. I've
voted for Democratic candidates, I've voted for Republican,,, you want
to know why, Jay? Because it is the benefit for the country that
counts not 'belonging to a club' and following their 'election
charter' like some mindless automaton.

Your candidate entered a war with an 'enemy' (Saddam) who had not
attacked us while the fellow that directly attacked us is running
around, comfortably making videos and apparently eating well. Bush
claimed he was entering the war to save the people from his cruel
tyranny - but what about the massive genocide that is going on in
parts of Africa right now - I haven't heard a peep from Bush about
that, or China's human rights violations, or North Korea's forming
nuclear arsenal ---- Ooops,,,, wait,,,,, I get it now,,,,,,,, there
is no OIL in Africa where innocents are being slaughtered every day,,,
there is no OIL in North Korea.... Isn't it funny,,,, a president who
is against stem cell research (which only the ignorant don't know)
uses embryos and NOT fetuses, has BIG problems with using a frozen
embryo that must be discarded after a certain length of time,,,, BUT
he will NOT hesitate to sacrifice living, breathing, human beings in a
war that had NO business being fought (I'm talking about Iraq here).
So, he will put living human beings (including women and children
involved in collateral damage from bombings that go astray) in body
bags,,, but wait! Don't ya dare touch a frozen embryo in a
'cryogenics' freezer. Can YOU say , hypocrisy? God forbid, that you
are your loved one needs medical aid that some new stem cell
technology could offer.

If there is any hope for our country, it will be when people learn to
abandon their mindless following of party affiliation and do as I (and
others) do; simply vote for the best man/woman for the job.

But don't let intelligence or logic, pry you away from your blissful
ignorance. I hope one day, people like you will learn to challenge
and learn more about what they are told as fact FROM ANY SOURCE,,,
then we will REALLY have a great Nation.

A mind is truly a terrible thing to waste..........

Since people being paid by the government (employees, retirees, what have
you) do not generate any income in the purest sense, the "taxes" they
"pay"
are entirely illusory. Same with anyone on the dole.

A perfect example, Jay, of why your "olive branch" of yesterday is
just horse feathers, glued together with spit and bull****.

You--and many others--equate government workers with people on the
dole.

No, they are NOT the same.

However, it is nevertheless true that neither group generates real income,
creates real wealth, or pays taxes in any real sense.

Just think about it a minute, and it will make more sense. It is only the
people working OUTSIDE the government that can create wealth or pay taxes.
How can a government worker pay taxes? The money they are "paying" in
taxes is made from taxes in the first place!

Deducting taxes from government employee's paychecks is quite literally an
illusion. But it's an essential lie that keeps everyone else subdued about
the incredible rip-off we call our "tax code."

You might consider taking a few economics courses at your local community
college. These facts will be covered in the first month or so.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I just got back from a vacation in Montreal (that's in Canada, for
those who haven't traveled farther away than your 1st cousins). Lots
of vacation ads to guess where? Cuba. Why are Canadians free to
travel wherever they want, while I, an American, cannot?

What, Jamaica's not good enough for you?

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:55:51 -0800, "David Brooks"
wrote:

One thing - one of so very many things - I learned in my five years of
flying is that partisan politics does not fit into the cockpit.
snip
Nor does it belong in newsgroups not devoted to it.

If this was meant as a troll, it sure worked. 181 posts so far.

I agree with Michael (Damn! Did I just say that?). Politics and
religion belong on their own groups. Often it's difficult to keep
quiet when some one makes a strong statement as to one or the other
and that is what creates threads with 181 posts. I have to plead
guilty to having retorted to a few political posts on the groups this
year, but not many. At least not many compared to the number of on
topic posts I make.

Most of us get along quite well on here *most* of the time, although
probably a lot fewer would be able to get along in real life, or IRL
as the simmers call it.:-))

I try to remember that what ever my religious and political views,
there are probably as least as many who would take the other side of
the argument.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote

If you want to
own one today, you have to obtain a permit from BATF for each weapon.
This
requires
that you pass essentially the same investigations necessary to get a top
secret
security clearance and pay a hefty fee (in 1981, the fee was $600 per
weapon). Many
States also require a separate investigation and permit, and some States
will not
allow private citizens to own them at all.

George Patterson

Unless you are a crook. You can get all the automatic weapons you want,
or
have money to buy, then.

And that won't change no matter how many gun laws are passed.


--
Jim in NC


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"Aviv Hod" wrote in message
...
It irks me when I hear that this election was decided on values and
morals, suggesting that Bush has a monopoly on morality. In fact, I
argue that the majority of people in the blue states hold moral values
that make financing social programs that improve the poor's situation
more important than lower taxes.

Quite a few of those programs are solidly in the immoral category and are in
place simply to garner liberals votes come election day.

"Greg Butler" wrote in message


But the real issue here is that the people who voted for Bush, on the
whole,
simply either refuse to believe the factual reports that contradict
everything Bush claimed and claims, or failed to pay attention to
those reports when they were made.

If you are talking about the iraq-terrorism connection then you are
dead wrong. Try reading the 911 commission report before making wild
claims.

That was Peter's statement, not mine. I've made no claims one way or
another about Saddam/9-11.

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John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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