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Ka-6 Rigging
Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day,
and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter |
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The ingrates should be honoured to be allowed to touch the vintage structure ;-)
vontresc wrote: Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day, and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter |
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A few years ago at a site in Austria I saw a one man rigging kit for an
ASK6. It was basically an electric hospital patient lifting trolley/hoist. Like a small fork lift truck. The owner puller the fuselage out, followed by the wings, these were laid on the ground alongside the fuselage roughly in place then placed on the lifting hoist and raised into position. The rigger had a control box on a long lead to manouvre the wing into place. The whole thing looked precarious, but it worked. De rigging was the reverse. Unfortunately it took ages -- the owner refused all offers of help from the numerous bodies who stood and watched. It was an ingenious triumph of design and application. Sorry no pictures. In understand there are electric one man rigging kits an with a similar fly lead and a lot smaller than the one I have described Dave Martin At 15:15 05 August 2008, Bruce wrote: The ingrates should be honoured to be allowed to touch the vintage structure ;-) vontresc wrote: Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day, and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter |
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A better use of the hospital trolley than carting off the crew who tried to
do it without. Happier now Jim At 16:25 05 August 2008, Dave Martin wrote: A few years ago at a site in Austria I saw a one man rigging kit for an ASK6. It was basically an electric hospital patient lifting trolley/hoist. Like a small fork lift truck. The owner puller the fuselage out, followed by the wings, these were laid on the ground alongside the fuselage roughly in place then placed on the lifting hoist and raised into position. The rigger had a control box on a long lead to manouvre the wing into place. The whole thing looked precarious, but it worked. De rigging was the reverse. Unfortunately it took ages -- the owner refused all offers of help from the numerous bodies who stood and watched. It was an ingenious triumph of design and application. Sorry no pictures. In understand there are electric one man rigging kits an with a similar fly lead and a lot smaller than the one I have described Dave Martin At 15:15 05 August 2008, Bruce wrote: The ingrates should be honoured to be allowed to touch the vintage structure ;-) vontresc wrote: Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day, and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter |
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At a minimum, make two trestles high enough for the wing tips when they
at approximately the correct rigging height. Aluminium step ladders with pipe cladding on the top bar are good, if you can find them the right height, though DIY wood is a bit cheaper and you can make a broad top to allow some sideways movement. This should mean (after some practice) that you can rig with just one helper. Initially use two helpers to make sure you don't dislodge the wing which is already in place. The main point is that your helpers shouldn't have to take the weight of the wings while you line everything up. No-one minds lifting a wing for a few seconds (even my Open Cirrus wing), but holding up a tip for 5 minutes while attempts are made to line up the other can be really hard work for someone who is past physical peak with a dodgy back (I think that's most of us these days). I used to fly a Grob Astir, and they have an undeserved reputation for being tricky to rig. Once I invested in two trestles it was no problem finding helpers. vontresc wrote: Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day, and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter |
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On Aug 5, 11:42*am, Chris Reed wrote:
At a minimum, make two trestles high enough for the wing tips when they at approximately the correct rigging height. Aluminium step ladders with pipe cladding on the top bar are good, if you can find them the right height, though DIY wood is a bit cheaper and you can make a broad top to allow some sideways movement. This should mean (after some practice) that you can rig with just one helper. Initially use two helpers to make sure you don't dislodge the wing which is already in place. The main point is that your helpers shouldn't have to take the weight of the wings while you line everything up. No-one minds lifting a wing for a few seconds (even my Open Cirrus wing), but holding up a tip for 5 minutes while attempts are made to line up the other can be really hard work for someone who is past physical peak with a dodgy back (I think that's most of us these days). I used to fly a Grob Astir, and they have an undeserved reputation for being tricky to rig. Once I invested in two trestles it was no problem finding helpers. vontresc wrote: Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day, and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That is more or less the system it came with. I have a "Calibrated" wood ladder that doubles as a stop for the cradle in the trailer to rest the left wing on while assembling. I tend to do the heavy lifting on the wing root while trying to align the drag spar, and main spar. I'm guessing that with practice I'll figure out how to position the wing prior to lifting ut up to the fuse. Pete |
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Ka-6s go together quite easy. Left wing on first, bring it in square or
slightly tip forward. Get the drag pin in, then move the tip aft until the lift fitting bottoms out. Put a stand under it to make the bottom of the spar roughly parallel with the fuselage deck. The leading edge is a straight line from tip to tip, so tell your tip person this. That will get you right on the fore and aft part for the second wing, so the wings can slide together. I always put the drag pins in before the main pins. To get the main pins in, I always have to tell the new guys to hold onto the spar when you push the pins in. If you don't, the fuselage will roll back (ours sits on its wheel with a stand to keep it upright) if the fittings were not absolutely perfectly aligned, and the fitings will go out of alignment, making the pin impossible to put in. Is this maybe when you start to have an issue? I always like to go up as required to get the top pin in first, then go down and get the bottom pin. Once both wings are in place, it should take less than 30 seconds to get the pins in. With the wings sitting on pads beside the fuselage, putting each one on shouldn't take much over 30 seconds from Lift to On. We find it is easiest to have three people. This way, you can easily set the wing onto the fuselage, with one person suporting the wing by the laeding edge, and one supporting it by the trailing edge at the root. The TE guy can also tell you what needs to happen to engage the lift pin. Oh, and with three people, nobody has to lift over about 40 lbs, or do a lift in an awkward stance that might hurt your back. Steve Leonard Ka-6CrPE N958Z |
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At 16:42 05 August 2008, Chris Reed wrote:
I owned a really cool Ka6CR, N6501D and I always needed someone to help me rig it as [ at the time, things may have changed ] I could not find a self rigger that would raise the wing high enough to work. It is a real plus, once you fiqure it out, to have "it all ready to go" so when you ask someone to help you, that you can pull the wings out with no fuss and quickly get the pins in so your helper can move on. Take your time the first few times you rig, with a patient helper so you can fiqure out the angles, but after that you should only need a helper for 4 or 5 minutes to get the wings on, or off. By the way, what a Totally Cool Airplane! Of ALL the aircraft I've flown it was my favorite, super fun to fly ,easy to rig [ I did have a good trailer which is a big help ] and good perfomance, I had several 500 km flights in mine in Telluride Parowan and Ely, Just a all around sweetheart, I wish I could have kept mine, but it did go to a ggod home NicK Kennedy At a minimum, make two trestles high enough for the wing tips when they at approximately the correct rigging height. Aluminium step ladders with pipe cladding on the top bar are good, if you can find them the right height, though DIY wood is a bit cheaper and you can make a broad top to allow some sideways movement. This should mean (after some practice) that you can rig with just one helper. Initially use two helpers to make sure you don't dislodge the wing which is already in place. The main point is that your helpers shouldn't have to take the weight of the wings while you line everything up. No-one minds lifting a wing for a few seconds (even my Open Cirrus wing), but holding up a tip for 5 minutes while attempts are made to line up the other can be really hard work for someone who is past physical peak with a dodgy back (I think that's most of us these days). I used to fly a Grob Astir, and they have an undeserved reputation for being tricky to rig. Once I invested in two trestles it was no problem finding helpers. vontresc wrote: Well I finally got out in my (new to me anyways) Ka-6 the other day, and I was wondering if anyone out there has some tips to make assembling it any easier. Ideally I'd like to get to a system where I wouldn't have to bother fellow club members too much for help. I figure as long as I keep the beer fridge stocked with good beer, I might keep my fellow member happy enough to continue helping me rig :-) Peter |
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Steve is my old Ka6CR N6501D in your club?
GOOD LUCK in Uvalde Nick Kennedy At 20:55 06 August 2008, Steve Leonard wrote: Ka-6s go together quite easy. Left wing on first, bring it in square or slightly tip forward. Get the drag pin in, then move the tip aft until the lift fitting bottoms out. Put a stand under it to make the bottom of the spar roughly parallel with the fuselage deck. The leading edge is a straight line from tip to tip, so tell your tip person this. That will get you right on the fore and aft part for the second wing, so the wings can slide together. I always put the drag pins in before the main pins. To get the main pins in, I always have to tell the new guys to hold onto the spar when you push the pins in. If you don't, the fuselage will roll back (ours sits on its wheel with a stand to keep it upright) if the fittings were not absolutely perfectly aligned, and the fitings will go out of alignment, making the pin impossible to put in. Is this maybe when you start to have an issue? I always like to go up as required to get the top pin in first, then go down and get the bottom pin. Once both wings are in place, it should take less than 30 seconds to get the pins in. With the wings sitting on pads beside the fuselage, putting each one on shouldn't take much over 30 seconds from Lift to On. We find it is easiest to have three people. This way, you can easily set the wing onto the fuselage, with one person suporting the wing by the laeding edge, and one supporting it by the trailing edge at the root. The TE guy can also tell you what needs to happen to engage the lift pin. Oh, and with three people, nobody has to lift over about 40 lbs, or do a lift in an awkward stance that might hurt your back. Steve Leonard Ka-6CrPE N958Z |
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I haven't flown a Ka6 CR, but I've helped assemble one many times..
Seems like it was always pretty easy with just the owner/pilot taking the root end and me out on a tip. Left wing in first and the drag pins inserted. Wing held up by his wooden stand. Now, right wing. Drag pins in, then the main pins. Sometimes, he would have to run out to the left wing and jiggle while I was still on the right wing. I think one reason for "easy" rigging is we rigged at the trailer tie- down area and not out with the "crowd" at the "assembly area" near the runway. We had the space all to ourselves. No gaggle of supervisors. No noisy towplanes. No guests asking a bunch of questions. Just us two without interruptions. Ray Lovinggood Carrboro, North Carolina, USA |
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