Filing IFR flight Plan in VMC

MArk, thanks for the input ,, I did look at 61.3 but interpreted it
differently as IFR meaning IMC. So I guess the old guy was full of old crap...
lol... THanks for the info on this one. Im almost done with my required
items, hours, approaches, can even do ndb holds, radial holding, etc. The
plane I rent has ADF and VOR (KX155) and DME and also has a Garmin 430 so Im
learning both the old and new methods. I took my written and got a 96 on it..
so am glad to get that out of the way.. I should be ready for a check ride in
Sept.. thanks for the help.. ron..

Mark Hansen wrote:
I have a question for the group. Im working on my IFR ticket, and will be
finished in about another 2-3 months, depending on how much I fly (Im renting.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]

Thanks ron..

Ron,

Have a look at FAR 61.3 (e):

(e) Instrument rating. No person may act as pilot in command of a civil
aircraft under IFR or in weather conditions less than the minimums
prescribed for VFR flight unless that person holds:

(1) The appropriate aircraft category, class, type (if required), and
instrument rating on that person's pilot certificate for any airplane,
helicopter, or powered-lift being flown;

(2) An airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate aircraft
category, class, and type rating (if required) for the aircraft being flown;

(3) For a glider, a pilot certificate with a glider category rating and an
airplane instrument rating; or

(4) For an airship, a commercial pilot certificate with a lighter-than-air
category rating and airship class rating.

Note that it says "under IFR *or* in IMC". There are also regs concerning
your currency of flight experience. I'll let you look those up as a homework
assignment :-)

One thing you *can* do, however, is practice instrument approaches. I suspect
this is what the "old guys" were talking about.

Although not required, you should consider only doing this when you have a
safety pilot, as it is not easy to twiddle with all the dials while still
keeping your eyes outside the cockpit looking for other traffic.

How are things going with your rating otherwise?

Best Regards,


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Thanks everybody for the input on my question... ron..

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On an IFR plan, you are expected to go THROUGH even the occasional
cloud, which you can't do.

I would have thought that until the FAA ruled that helo instrument
students can file an IFR flight plan in a VFR only helicopter for the
purpose of flight training as long as they stay VMC. Go figure.

-Robert, CFII

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Mark Hansen wrote:

You do not have to be under an IFR clearance to practice approaches. In
fact, some controllers will say "Practice Approach Approved" rather than
the normal "Cleared for the approach" to make this point clear.

That has nothing to do with it.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
On Jul 28, 4:17 pm, B A R R Y wrote:



Real requests for approach usually include the "Are you rated and
equipped?" query if you're not arriving on an IFR plan.

I've never, ever been asked that in the US. Its customary in Mexico to
ask that when picking up an IFR clearance (not sure what they would do
if I said no )

-Robert



Controllers are only required to ask if you're rated and equipped if a
pilot flying VFR states he's in weather difficulty and would like an IFR
clearance.

Newps wrote:

Controllers are only required to ask if you're rated and equipped if a
pilot flying VFR states he's in weather difficulty and would like an
IFR clearance.


Controllers are never required to ask if a pilot is rated and equipped when
he asks for an IFR clearance.

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
B A R R Y wrote:

That's what I'm talking about. A VFR aircraft arriving at an IFR
airport, so it needs an IFR approach. This is very common on Cape Cod
and the Islands. I hear Cape and Boston approach ask the question so
often, my rarely flying pax even know what it means.

Apparently an unnecessary local custom.

Given the sudden and unexpected weather conditions around
the Cape, it's not a bad idea to ask.

Yes, filing and flying solo IFR is great practice while working on your IFR
ticket, however it is illegal to accept an IFR clearance without being
qualified with the rating.


I know a guy that filed and flew numerous IFR X-C at night while building
time to qualify for the minimum time requirements for the IFR rating years
ago. All the trips were in VFR conditions at night in benign weather, but
IFR regs require the pilot receiving/flying an IFR flight plan to be
qualified and equipped. You can get away with it unless something goes
wrong, at which point you're either dead or in heap big trouble.
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On Jul 28, 7:01*pm, "Cyberfly via AviationKB.com" u45015@uwe wrote:
MArk, thanks for the input ,, I did look at 61.3 but interpreted it
differently as IFR meaning IMC. So I guess the old guy was full of old crap...
lol... THanks for the info on this one. Im almost done with my required
items, hours, approaches, can even do ndb holds, radial holding, etc. The
plane I rent has ADF and VOR (KX155) and DME and also has a Garmin 430 so Im
learning both the old and new methods. I took my written and got a 96 on it..
so am glad to get that out of the way.. I should be ready for a check ride in
Sept.. thanks for the help.. ron..


Yes, IFR is different than IMC. IFR is "rules", IMC is "conditions".

-Robert

So...when he did all this, did he log it as such and create this illegal
record? How did he justify this to the examiner when his logbook was
checked...or did the the examiner miss it. Did the CFII say anything about
this when the 8710 was filled out?

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Regards, BobF.
"tscottme" wrote in message
. ..
Yes, filing and flying solo IFR is great practice while working on your
IFR ticket, however it is illegal to accept an IFR clearance without being
qualified with the rating.


I know a guy that filed and flew numerous IFR X-C at night while building
time to qualify for the minimum time requirements for the IFR rating years
ago. All the trips were in VFR conditions at night in benign weather, but
IFR regs require the pilot receiving/flying an IFR flight plan to be
qualified and equipped. You can get away with it unless something goes
wrong, at which point you're either dead or in heap big trouble.
--

Scott

What Barack Obama learned from the Communist Party
http://tinyurl.com/5bgbpu
Democrats to America's drivers: "Let them ride bikes."
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote
Yes, IFR is different than IMC. IFR is "rules", IMC is "conditions".

And just to add....IA,"Instrument Airplane" is the rating on the
Airman Certificate. No such thing as an "IFR Rating" or "IFR Ticket".

Bob Moore