Flight plan hell, Tales of filing an ADIZ flight plan

I filed an ADIZ/FRZ flight plan yesterday that went to the wrong Center.
Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. It turns out that
even if you file with Leesburg FSS for a DC area ADIZ plan it can be
automatically routed to the wrong facility.

I called Friday evening checked weather, notams TFR's, etc. and filed
two flight plans. One ADIZ fro the next morning to get from Culpeper to
Frederick, MD and then onto Grimes (8N1). Great place.
www.goldenageair.org The other was for Sunday afternoon Westminster VOR
(EMI) to Hyde Field (W32) where my job is based. Yes you can file for
more than 24 hours in advance. The first flight plan went off without a
hitch. I called Sunday morning to file my work related super secret
flight plans and check on my previously filed flight plan suspicious
that it was already gone. It was still there!

I took off out of Grimes around 12:30 to pick up ADIZ flight plan over
EMI around 13:00. I arrived over EMI at 13:05 and called Potomac
Approach. He could not find the flight plan. I waited a few minutes and
called again. He said it was still not there. I was ****ed! I believed
it was lost and landed at Carroll County. I called Leesburg and Asked to
speak to the supervisor. He told me it was there and sent it again. I
took off confident that it was finally there. Upon climbing out I called
Potomac once again and he told me it was not there. By now I was truly
upset. I was going to be late for work. I thought they were screwing
with me. Some of the controllers know my voice since I fly the ADIZ/FRZ
so frequently. Some also do not like me. Improper service results in a
phone call to QA/QC.

Knowing I had a flight plan in the system, I called Leesburg again on
the air to air. The quality of their transmitter was poor and this added
to the frustration. I finally got the message across and she once again
transmitted the plan. It finally had come through. I was able to finally
get one my way towards Hyde Field with the requisite "remain clear of
Class B and FRZ". Once I landed and parked I called Leesburg and asked
to speak to the supervisor. He recognized my voice and starting
apologizing profusely.

It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans originating
at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. Huh? EMI is 20 or so miles for
Baltimore? He went on to explain. In order to streamline things New York
center has control of flights from EMI north, includes EMI. Potomac
hands off directly to New York Center, taking Washington Center out of
the loop. A very short loop for Jets. To get around the flight plan
routing problem Leesburg has to manually change the routing for the
flight plan to make sure it gets to Washington, DC and then on to
Potomac. They failed to do this four times.

I asked him where to send the bill. he said "you can send it here but we
don't have any money to pay it."
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer
enters the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.

Michelle

"Michelle P" wrote in
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It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans
originating at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. ...
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer
enters the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.

This is a pretty well documented "feature" of the ADIZ. As soon as I saw
EMI in your story, I knew what was coming.

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Well it was new to me. I usually do not try to enter from the direction.
Michelle

John T wrote:

"Michelle P" wrote in
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It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans
originating at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. ...
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer
enters the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.



This is a pretty well documented "feature" of the ADIZ. As soon as I saw
EMI in your story, I knew what was coming.

John T wrote:
"Michelle P" wrote in
message ink.net

It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans
originating at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. ...
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer
enters the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.

This is a pretty well documented "feature" of the ADIZ. As soon as I saw
EMI in your story, I knew what was coming.

Take Amtrak next time and stop bothering the Federal employees, jeez
how many Orville Wrights do they have to be interrupted by?

JG


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On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:20:57 GMT, Michelle P
wrote in
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I filed an ADIZ/FRZ flight plan yesterday that went to the wrong Center.
Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times.

Don't you feel a lot safer from terrorism? :-)

Gees!! Ok, now how long will it be before the news media blames some
innocent pilot for filing his flight plan "with the wrong facility"??
Jim

"John T" wrote in message
m...
It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans
originating at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. ...
[...]

This is a pretty well documented "feature" of the ADIZ.

Documented where? I realize that pilots are required to be familiar with
"all available information", but in reality there is a practical limit to
just how much research a pilot is expected to do prior to takeoff.

Michelle P wrote:
Well it was new to me. I usually do not try to enter from the direction.
Michelle

John T wrote:

"Michelle P" wrote in
message ink.net


It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans
originating at Westminster (EMI) is New York center. ...
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer
enters the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.



This is a pretty well documented "feature" of the ADIZ. As soon as I
saw EMI in your story, I knew what was coming.




This would explain what happened to me returning from New York over
Memorial day. I had filed with leeburgs and when I got near Golda
called up and they had no record of it. Filed from the air and it still
took a long while for them to get it. probable cost me 1/2 hours of
cirling to get back in.

john

I've never understood why ALL flight plans can't be available to ALL
FFS's, Centers, Approaches and even Fligh****ches. Type in an N number
and you get all unexpired flight plans for that N number out of one
central database.

This would stop this "what FSS did you file with" question.

Although there might be some way to use this to your advantage.

EMI is in New York Center's airspace. DMW (which is north of EMI) is in
ZDC's airspace. Have your briefer file DMW instead of EMI, and you'll be
ok.

Les

"Michelle P" wrote in message
ink.net...
I filed an ADIZ/FRZ flight plan yesterday that went to the wrong Center.
Not once, not twice, not three times, but four times. It turns out that
even if you file with Leesburg FSS for a DC area ADIZ plan it can be
automatically routed to the wrong facility.

I called Friday evening checked weather, notams TFR's, etc. and filed two
flight plans. One ADIZ fro the next morning to get from Culpeper to
Frederick, MD and then onto Grimes (8N1). Great place.
www.goldenageair.org The other was for Sunday afternoon Westminster VOR
(EMI) to Hyde Field (W32) where my job is based. Yes you can file for more
than 24 hours in advance. The first flight plan went off without a hitch.
I called Sunday morning to file my work related super secret flight plans
and check on my previously filed flight plan suspicious that it was
already gone. It was still there!

I took off out of Grimes around 12:30 to pick up ADIZ flight plan over EMI
around 13:00. I arrived over EMI at 13:05 and called Potomac Approach. He
could not find the flight plan. I waited a few minutes and called again.
He said it was still not there. I was ****ed! I believed it was lost and
landed at Carroll County. I called Leesburg and Asked to speak to the
supervisor. He told me it was there and sent it again. I took off
confident that it was finally there. Upon climbing out I called Potomac
once again and he told me it was not there. By now I was truly upset. I
was going to be late for work. I thought they were screwing with me. Some
of the controllers know my voice since I fly the ADIZ/FRZ so frequently.
Some also do not like me. Improper service results in a phone call to
QA/QC.

Knowing I had a flight plan in the system, I called Leesburg again on the
air to air. The quality of their transmitter was poor and this added to
the frustration. I finally got the message across and she once again
transmitted the plan. It finally had come through. I was able to finally
get one my way towards Hyde Field with the requisite "remain clear of
Class B and FRZ". Once I landed and parked I called Leesburg and asked to
speak to the supervisor. He recognized my voice and starting apologizing
profusely.

It turns out that the default routing code for Flight plans originating at
Westminster (EMI) is New York center. Huh? EMI is 20 or so miles for
Baltimore? He went on to explain. In order to streamline things New York
center has control of flights from EMI north, includes EMI. Potomac hands
off directly to New York Center, taking Washington Center out of the loop.
A very short loop for Jets. To get around the flight plan routing problem
Leesburg has to manually change the routing for the flight plan to make
sure it gets to Washington, DC and then on to Potomac. They failed to do
this four times.

I asked him where to send the bill. he said "you can send it here but we
don't have any money to pay it."
So next time you file from the north over EMI Make you the Briefer enters
the correct routing code so you flight plan is available.

Michelle