KC-767 ????

Jack G wrote:

A couple of DC-10's were lost due to problems with the thrust bearing - one
major crash at Chicago - I don't have a reference handy for the others.
Lots of people refused to fly on DC-10's after the Chicago crash - prompting
the bumper sticker "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going".

Jack


It had and apparently still has a bad reputation. A couple of highly
publicised crashes (due to different reasons) just after an aircraft
enters service seems to have that result. However, there is a big
difference between it having a bad public reputation and it actually
being a bad aircraft.
Hundreds of the things have operated without any major problems for
years. I don't know the exact figures, but I doubt its overall safety
record being much different from that of, say, the Boeing 747.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg

"Ralph Savelsberg" wrote in message
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Jack G wrote:

A couple of DC-10's were lost due to problems with the thrust bearing -
one
major crash at Chicago - I don't have a reference handy for the others.
Lots of people refused to fly on DC-10's after the Chicago crash -
prompting
the bumper sticker "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going".

Jack


It had and apparently still has a bad reputation. A couple of highly
publicised crashes (due to different reasons) just after an aircraft
enters service seems to have that result. However, there is a big
difference between it having a bad public reputation and it actually
being a bad aircraft.
Hundreds of the things have operated without any major problems for
years. I don't know the exact figures, but I doubt its overall safety
record being much different from that of, say, the Boeing 747.

Regards,
Ralph Savelsberg


From the statistics on the aviation safety site

http://aviation-safety.net/statistics/aircraft.html

It would seem the DC-10 has a better record than the Boeing 737-200
but worse than the 747, the MD-11 does better than the 747
but its a pretty safe aircraft overall.

Keith

Mary Shafer wrote:

On 3 Jul 2003 23:14:00 -0700, (Tom Mosher)
wrote:

Where the hell did he come up with a bad thrust bearing? It was a bad
maintenance practice. AA at Tulsa M&E decided to shorten the
engine/pylon removal process by pulling the engine and pylon at the
same time. Unfortunately, it put stress in the wrong place and cracked
the structure. Eventually, the engine separated with catastrophic
results.

Actually, the problem wasn't that they were removing and replacing
both, it was that they were using a _forklift_ to do so.

Said so in the accident report.l

Mary

Yes, that and lack of disseminating information to other
operators and the FAA.
--

-Gord.

"Keith Willshaw" writes:


The DC-10 has such a bad reputation that the new owners wanted to
sever the connection. (Hello., ValueJet....errr ATA)

Valuejet didnt operate DC-10's, they used DC-9's which are a rather
different aircraft.

Didn't say they did. Clue: there are 2 name changes discussed....
both cases had GREAT reps....



The MD-11 was renamed because there were substantial
differences from the DC-10 including a glass cockpit, redesigned wings
and tail, new engines and its longer carrying around 50 more pax than a
DC-10.

Yep, sure thing.... no PR angle at all.... either prefix
or suffix.



http://aviation-safety.net/database/1999/990822-0.htm

I went through HKG a few weeks later, and got a jumpseat visit. The
crew was discussing the above. HKG apparently has nasty, unpredictable
low level [below DH] winds. Further, 642 barely missed landing atop
another aircraft on the adjacent taxiway. And best of all, the
Chinese Army wanted the wreck out of sight ASAP, so they blew it
apart and picked up the pieces...





--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:



Thrust bearing? The only major DC-10 crash I can recall at Chicago was in
1979 and was due to faulty maintenance procedures.

Turkish Airways....

--
A host is a host from coast to
& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

David Lesher wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
Thrust bearing? The only major DC-10 crash I can recall at Chicago
was in
1979 and was due to faulty maintenance procedures.

Turkish Airways....

Turkish Airlines lost TC-JAV at Bois d'Ermenonville (just out of Orly)
in 1974.

There were two DC-10 losses in Chicago. American Airlines lost N110AA in
a crash in 1979 and American Trans Air lost N184AT in a cabin fire on
the ground in 1986.

Cheers
David

"David Lesher" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:



Thrust bearing? The only major DC-10 crash I can recall at Chicago was
in
1979 and was due to faulty maintenance procedures.

Turkish Airways....


In France not Chicago and a result of a failed cargo door IRC

Keith

"David Bromage" wrote in message
.. .
David Lesher wrote:
"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:
Thrust bearing? The only major DC-10 crash I can recall at Chicago
was in
1979 and was due to faulty maintenance procedures.

Turkish Airways....

Turkish Airlines lost TC-JAV at Bois d'Ermenonville (just out of Orly)
in 1974.

There were two DC-10 losses in Chicago. American Airlines lost N110AA in
a crash in 1979 and American Trans Air lost N184AT in a cabin fire on
the ground in 1986.


The latter was hardly a fault of the aircraft, the loss report reads

Quote
The DC-10 was unloaded following a charter flight. Company maintenance
personnel had placed damaged passenger seatbacks (incorporating solid-state
chemical oxygen generators) in the forward cargo hold with seat covers and
oil. A company mechanic examined the seatbacks to find a serviceable unit.
He encountered a loose oxygen generator, which he handled improperly by its
oxygen hose. The generator went off by accident, generating a 430deg C heat.
Seat covers ignited and the fire eventually burned through the cabin floor.
The cabin was soon engulfed in flames.
/Quote

Keith

David Lesher wrote:

"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:

Thrust bearing? The only major DC-10 crash I can recall at Chicago was in
1979 and was due to faulty maintenance procedures.

Turkish Airways....

Faulty maintenance again. Ok, the cargo handler 'forced' the door, but the
latching mechanism adjustment was intended to stop that. It was adjusted the
wrong way.

PB

Keith Willshaw wrote:

"David Lesher" wrote in message
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"Steven P. McNicoll" writes:



Thrust bearing? The only major DC-10 crash I can recall at Chicago was
in
1979 and was due to faulty maintenance procedures.

Turkish Airways....


In France not Chicago and a result of a failed cargo door IRC

Keith

Correct on both counts.

Although why MD chose not to fit pressure blowout valves is a mystery.. The
cargo compartment de-pressurised and brought the pax floor down onto the
control lines. From then on it was uncontrollable.

PB