Steven P, McNicoll just ****ed me off

30 degrees would do it.

It probably would, if the wing was transparent.

Aren't the wings made of Aluminum?

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Aren't the wings made of Aluminum?


Yes, but transparent aluminum has yet to be developed. We're still using
polymers for those applications.

Yes, but transparent aluminum has yet to be developed. We're still using
polymers for those applications.

Yeah, and you folks probably still have the wings up on top.

I was actually thinking of my recent experience, which is in Cherokees.
(yes I know - the OP said 172) I'll be flying a Cutlass in a few
weeks, I'll see how much or how little angle it takes.

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:04:38 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Mike Weller" wrote in message
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Your know it all attitude.


I never claimed to know it all, but I do know a lot.

So do a lot of us. I think that your condescending language on this
particular topic will not serve any purpose to improve flying safety.

I think you're reading
things in to my messages.


I think not.

Mike Weller

30 degrees would do it. It would take about one second to straighten
out during the start of the takeoff roll, and since the takeoff roll is a
necessary maneuver to fly most 172s, there would be minimum ... er...
impact on the takeoff.

Reminds me of something wierd that happened a few years back. We were on a
company outing to Southern California, flew into John Wayne Airport.

On the way out, we were in an MD80 or something. The Plane was waiting to
pull onto the runway. The engines revved up, and the plane accelerated,
kept going, turned 45 degrees, and launched down the runway. I've never
been in a plane that accelerated through the turn onto the runway. He never
slowed down, or stopped accelerating from the hold position. Freaked me
out. Its bad enough that they shut down/throttle back the engines for a few
seconds after takeoff for noise compliance. I know that runway is short
too.

Anyone familiar with this?

Dave

Dave wrote:
30 degrees would do it. It would take about one second to straighten
out during the start of the takeoff roll, and since the takeoff roll is a
necessary maneuver to fly most 172s, there would be minimum ... er...
impact on the takeoff.


Reminds me of something wierd that happened a few years back. We were on a
company outing to Southern California, flew into John Wayne Airport.

On the way out, we were in an MD80 or something. The Plane was waiting to
pull onto the runway. The engines revved up, and the plane accelerated,
kept going, turned 45 degrees, and launched down the runway. I've never
been in a plane that accelerated through the turn onto the runway. He never
slowed down, or stopped accelerating from the hold position. Freaked me
out. Its bad enough that they shut down/throttle back the engines for a few
seconds after takeoff for noise compliance. I know that runway is short
too.

Anyone familiar with this?

Dave




They probably asked them to do an immediate takeoff, to speed up
operation, with a traffic on final.
It does happen sometimes.

And after T/O they don't shut down the engines, they just throttle back
a bit to reduce noise but always with safety as priority in mind.

Dave wrote:

On the way out, we were in an MD80 or something. The Plane was waiting to
pull onto the runway. The engines revved up, and the plane accelerated,
kept going, turned 45 degrees, and launched down the runway. I've never
been in a plane that accelerated through the turn onto the runway. He never
slowed down, or stopped accelerating from the hold position. Freaked me
out.

Pretty standard procedure in many airports. Why stopping again when
you're already rolling and all checks have been done?

Stefan

I understand what you are saying..I've been on planes that kept rolling
turned, and took off....

But this guy floored it before the turn was even made. Full throttle.

"Stefan" wrote in message
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Dave wrote:

On the way out, we were in an MD80 or something. The Plane was waiting
to pull onto the runway. The engines revved up, and the plane
accelerated, kept going, turned 45 degrees, and launched down the runway.
I've never been in a plane that accelerated through the turn onto the
runway. He never slowed down, or stopped accelerating from the hold
position. Freaked me out.

Pretty standard procedure in many airports. Why stopping again when you're
already rolling and all checks have been done?

Stefan

Jose wrote in news:75NMe.2376$Z%6.1389
@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:

Yes, but transparent aluminum has yet to be developed. We're still using
polymers for those applications.

Yeah, and you folks probably still have the wings up on top.
Snipola

hehehehe...they're still using "wings"!!!! snicker

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In article , Dave
wrote:

On the way out, we were in an MD80 or something. The Plane was waiting to
pull onto the runway. The engines revved up, and the plane accelerated,
kept going, turned 45 degrees, and launched down the runway. I've never
been in a plane that accelerated through the turn onto the runway. He never
slowed down ... Freaked me out.

My guess is the radio exchange was something like this:

ATC: Airliner XXXX, can you take it on the roll? There's a G-4 just
inside a 2-mile final.

Airliner: Affirmative, we're ready.

ATC: Airliner XXXX, cleared for immediate takeoff, traffic a Gulfstream
IV on a mile-and-a-half final.



Basically, it was go now, or wait several minutes wasting time and fuel
at the hold short line. I've done the same thing.

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