Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.

It he changed that later, I'd be glad of some proof.


Walt


Don't hold your breath.

I didn't keep track, Art. But it seems to just a flat lie.

Walt

It's not spin. I didn't keep track, but someone said that Bush volunteered
for
overseas service. Maybe he did, but in February, 1968, he declined to do so.

Someone said, huh? Must be the truth if "someone" says so

"WalterM140" wrote in message
...

When I clicked the link and scrolled down it shows a box outlined in red
that
says:

"I do/do not volunteer for overseas service."

Bush checked "Do not".


Me too, but, of course, that does not indicate he did not volunteer for Viet
Nam.

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: ojunk (Steve Mellenthin)
Date: 7/11/2004 1:03 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

I woulen't exactly call a 50 ship Linebacker a sortie.



What's a Linebacker?


Arthur Kramer

You pullin' my leg here or just haven't been readig the dialog here for the
last couple of years?

I'd say you will have to wait for Ed's next book but I wil cut you some slack
because I've enjoyed your WWII stories.

Linebacker was the code name for Nixon's air campaign against North Vietnam
in
1972 as Rolling Thunder was under Johnson inprevious years. There were two
phases. LB One involved mostly fighter ops and LB Two was a concentrated
campaign using B-52s over RP 6.

A Linebacker mission involved fighters, fighter-bombers or bombers, escorts,
comm, early warning, combat air patrols (CAP), pre and post strike recon,
tankers, airborne command and control, rescue, jammers, electronic intel
(ELINT), among other functions. On the order of a large heavy bomber strike
in
the ETO. Same tonnage of bombs, just needed fewer planes to deliver. Usually
50 - 100 planes or so.

I have been seeing linebacker in lots of messages and you are the first one
that explained it. Thanks. I guess that there was an assumption that everyone
here flew in Nam


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Bush flew fighter jets, but never over VIETNAM.
From: Ed Rasimus
Date: 7/11/2004 1:41 PM Pac

Art, I recall sending you a copy of When Thunder Rolled. If you read
it, you'll find a clear explanation of what the Route Packages were
and you won't have to ask questions like "what's a Pack 6

Never got it. If I had I would have read it cover to cover non stop and
discussed it here with you. I wonder where it went?


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

(WalterM140) wrote in
:

The only thing I've seen is that Bush declined to volunteer for Viet
Nam.

Your point is? I don't think many of us actually did. Some did to
get out of
a tour in places like Korea.

Now I know Korea is a hardship posting but choosing Nam over Korea?
Isn't that somewhat extreme. And it just means some other poor *******
had to take your place

You obviously weren't stationed in Korea in the late 60s. Korat where I was
stationed in 72 -73 was a pretty plush place compared to Kunsan Korea. Sitting
a lot of nuke alert for weeks at a time wasn't an exactly exciting part of my
flying career unless one got launched and that never happende for me. .

(WalterM140) wrote in
:

[snip]

When I clicked the link and scrolled down it shows a box outlined in
red that says:

"I do/do not volunteer for overseas service."

Bush checked "Do not".

And later changed his mind.
Funny you don't mention that part.

IBM

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"D. Strang" wrote in message
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That has nothing to do with "Vietnam." Maybe he didn't want to go to
Korea,
or Germany. I never ever volunteered for overseas. It came fast enough
on its
own. If you look at my military records (dream sheets) they will all say
I was
a non-volunteer for overseas. Yet I served 8 years overseas.


How meaningful is that anyway for a Guard member? Wouldn't you go wherever
your unit is sent, regardless of your volunteer status?

(ArtKramr) wrote in news:20040711121608.23951.00001684@mb-
m28.aol.com:

[snip]

The man didn't want to fight. End of story.

Failure to olunteer for solo banzai charges down the Main Street
of Hanoi should not be construed as a lack of motivation.

IBM

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Mike Marron wrote in
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[snip]

All that truly matters is that the man wants to fight NOW. End of
story.

And-uh he recognises who the real enemy is.... France!

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