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Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?



 
 
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Old July 14th 06, 04:55 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Lufthansi
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html

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Old July 14th 06, 01:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Ron Natalie
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html

Everybody wants to be Bob Hoover.

I don't think it is this video, but a different one several years ago
when a pilot doing loops in a Partenavia during an airshow folded the
wings back. It was his wife who was shooting the video if I recall.
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Old July 14th 06, 01:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dudley Henriques[_1_]
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html

Everybody wants to be Bob Hoover.



..................and what they forget is that the secret to being Bob Hoover
is NOT pulling g's.

Dudley Henriques


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Old July 14th 06, 04:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
john smith
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:

I don't think it is this video, but a different one several years ago
when a pilot doing loops in a Partenavia during an airshow folded the
wings back. It was his wife who was shooting the video if I recall.


Someplace in Texas. Midland, maybe?
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Old July 14th 06, 04:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert M. Gary
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

My understanding is that this guy had been doing this for awhile. He
routinely over stressed the airframe until the eventually gave back.

Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html


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Old July 14th 06, 05:05 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Orval Fairbairn
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:

Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html

Everybody wants to be Bob Hoover.

I don't think it is this video, but a different one several years ago
when a pilot doing loops in a Partenavia during an airshow folded the
wings back. It was his wife who was shooting the video if I recall.


The video was that of a Partenavia coming apart. They are NOT aerobatic
category airplanes. It looked as if the pilot had started a snap
maneuver, in which both outer wing panels failed simultaneously.
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Old July 14th 06, 08:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Roger'[email protected]
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:53:16 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:


"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html

Everybody wants to be Bob Hoover.



.................and what they forget is that the secret to being Bob Hoover
is NOT pulling g's.


First, I don't want to offer any encourage any one to try aerobatics
except in a plane rated for them.

The way I see it, virtually any *basic* aerobatic maneuver can be done
without causing undue stress in a good portion of normal and utility
category aircraft. The twin is a different animal due to inertia and
the weight out there on the wings., but Bob did an outstanding job. If
anything he may have made it look too easy:-))


The snap roll is normally considered a bit hard on airplanes, but I've
seen a number of rag and tube aircraft do snap rolls nose high and at
a low speed. The "Flying Farmer" used to do a routine with a number
of snap rolls, but they sure weren't the ones most people think of
when they see air show performers doing snap rolls at higher speed.
"Those things are uncomfortable"

Almost any single engine plane could do a hammer head, but be a bit
late and you may have to walk home if it leads to a tail slide. :-))

Barrel rolls are probably one of the easiest maneuvers to learn and
the easiest to screw up.

However after reading the subject line and original post I keep
wondering how you have a mid-air accident by your self? Is it half
way between the top and bottom, or the edges. I can see how top and
bottom are defined although I've never flown anything capable or
coming near the top and the bottom adds new meaning to "hard deck".
I've just never been able to figure out where the sides are located.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


Dudley Henriques

Roger
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Old July 14th 06, 08:59 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dale
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

In article ,
wrote:


First, I don't want to offer any encourage any one to try aerobatics
except in a plane rated for them.

The way I see it, virtually any *basic* aerobatic maneuver can be done
without causing undue stress in a good portion of normal and utility
category aircraft. The twin is a different animal due to inertia and
the weight out there on the wings., but Bob did an outstanding job. If
anything he may have made it look too easy:-))


The snap roll is normally considered a bit hard on airplanes, but I've
seen a number of rag and tube aircraft do snap rolls nose high and at
a low speed. The "Flying Farmer" used to do a routine with a number
of snap rolls, but they sure weren't the ones most people think of
when they see air show performers doing snap rolls at higher speed.
"Those things are uncomfortable"

Almost any single engine plane could do a hammer head, but be a bit
late and you may have to walk home if it leads to a tail slide. :-))

Barrel rolls are probably one of the easiest maneuvers to learn and
the easiest to screw up.

However after reading the subject line and original post I keep
wondering how you have a mid-air accident by your self? Is it half
way between the top and bottom, or the edges. I can see how top and
bottom are defined although I've never flown anything capable or
coming near the top and the bottom adds new meaning to "hard deck".
I've just never been able to figure out where the sides are located.



The crash of this P-68 was way back in the '80s here in the U.S. The
guy was doing aerobatic demos to show the airplane off for, IIRC, the
Partenavia factory.

The NTSB report says he pulled just over 8G and pulled the wings off.
If you had the original audio you could hear his wife narrating his
flight....sad.
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Old July 14th 06, 09:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Flyingmonk[_1_]
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?


Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html



Yo quit yur spammin' yo!

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Old July 14th 06, 09:44 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
David Dyer-Bennet
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Default Plane Loses Both Wings In Mid-Air............Why ?

Orval Fairbairn writes:

In article ,
Ron Natalie wrote:

Lufthansi wrote:
This happened on some Airshow in Asia. The Airplane last both wings in
midair and consequently crashed. Maybe it did some aerobatic loops
prior to wing-failure ? Check it out :
http://www.jumpingpixels.com/aircraft2.html

Everybody wants to be Bob Hoover.

I don't think it is this video, but a different one several years ago
when a pilot doing loops in a Partenavia during an airshow folded the
wings back. It was his wife who was shooting the video if I recall.


The video was that of a Partenavia coming apart. They are NOT aerobatic
category airplanes. It looked as if the pilot had started a snap
maneuver, in which both outer wing panels failed simultaneously.


Both wings seemed to fail at essentially the same instant, and in the
same place (just outboard of the engines).

Eek; that model or something very like it is one of only two small
planes I've been in, and the only one I've gotten to manipulate the
controls of. But the pilot who took me up wasn't trying to do
aerobatics with it!
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