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Old July 6th 03, 04:15 AM
Buff5200
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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

So, what would do you think the US gov't would do for the B742's
version of AF1's replacement? Does the Gov't have a contract with
Airbus, which could present the A380? Would they stay Boeing, and go
B772 (the B773 has a shorter range than the 772)? Which aircraft do you
think should be the next Air Force One? Thoughts? Opinions?



My understanding is that the cost of the aircraft delivered by Boeing is
less than half the total
cost of the AF1 aircraft.

Airforce one is highly modified to be both a luxury office complex for
schmoozing dignitaries
and an airborne command/control/communication center that is a 21
century version of
"Looking Glass".

If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
lift capacity of the 747 line.

Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.




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Old July 6th 03, 05:27 AM
Chris Hoffmann
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"lalo" wrote in message ...
If Bush keeps ****ing with every country out there, esp. North Korea, this
will be the next Air Force One..

http://tinyurl.com/g4bn


Wish I had a pic of North Korea and "every other country Bush f*cks with"
to post in response...

What are they gonna do, steal our airliners? Keep 'em. Just what a starving,
repressed, dictatorial country needs - An airline industry.

--
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Student Pilot @ UES
20 hrs






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Old July 6th 03, 06:03 AM
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A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

The B742 is just about all phased out, with the B744 and the
B777 doing the majority of the long haul runs of the Boeing line (yes,
the 767 series is there, but doesn't have the range of the 747 and
777), So, what would do you think the US gov't would do for the B742's
version of AF1's replacement? Does the Gov't have a contract with
Airbus, which could present the A380? Would they stay Boeing, and go
B772 (the B773 has a shorter range than the 772)? Which aircraft do you
think should be the next Air Force One? Thoughts? Opinions?

BL.


The US Govt makes employees fly US carriers when possible, they aren't
about to buy a non US plane. Range wouldn't be a problem if they really
need it. After all, AF1 isn't your everyday 747. It can also be refueled
in midair.

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Old July 6th 03, 06:05 AM
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Robert Browne wrote:
There is no way that this administration would buy Airbus or any other
aircraft with a French connection.


I just had a Gene Hackman flashback, so I thought would look the movie
up at IMDB. I found it... It said, In 2003, this movie was renamed
"Freedom Connection".


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Old July 6th 03, 06:49 AM
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Wrong (IMHO).

The next AF1 will be small and VERY fast. 20 people, tops!

New sonic boom resistant designs, etc.

Mach 2+ a minimum to enter the bidding.

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Montblack


"Buff5200"
snip
If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
lift capacity of the 747 line.

Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.



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Old July 6th 03, 11:24 AM
Bob Noel
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In article , Buff5200
wrote:

Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.


re-opening the C-5A production line is, at best, extremely unlikely.

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Bob Noel
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Old July 6th 03, 11:25 AM
Cub Driver
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Vista-Cruiser or
whatever they've decided to call the 7E7


Dreamliner.

I think two engines would qualify, if the single-engine performance is
up to standard. The FAA came around.

(I remember how startled I was in 1986 to find myself flying over the
South China Sea in a two-engine Airbus, having been persuaded by the
FAA how necessary four engines were to my personal safety.)

all the best -- Dan Ford (email: info AT danford.net)

see the Warbird's Forum at http://www.danford.net/index.htm
Vietnam | Flying Tigers | Pacific War | Brewster Buffalo | Piper Cub
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Old July 6th 03, 02:42 PM
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I don't know about that. If I remember correctly from the National
Geographic presentation, half the reason they retired their 707 was because
it couldn't carry all the people they wanted to carry comfortably. Not to
mention, I doubt you could turn a 20 passenger jet into the mobile White
House like the current jet. They also have two of them that don't fly much
and will probably be around for many many years to come. I'm willing to bet
the next Airforce One will be an aircraft that's not even on the drawling
board yet.

"Montblack" wrote in message
.. .
Wrong (IMHO).

The next AF1 will be small and VERY fast. 20 people, tops!

New sonic boom resistant designs, etc.

Mach 2+ a minimum to enter the bidding.

--
Montblack


"Buff5200"
snip
If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
lift capacity of the 747 line.

Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.





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Old July 6th 03, 04:24 PM
ks_av8r
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A lot of the costs associated with AF1 (&AF2 as it was often called) were
the electronics, sophisticated wiring systems and secure communication
links. Due to security reasons, I believe the electronics work would be
done in the US irregardless of airframe origin. The Air Force provided
extremely tight security on those aircraft as they were in the modification
stages.




"Buff5200" wrote in message
...

My understanding is that the cost of the aircraft delivered by Boeing is
less than half the total
cost of the AF1 aircraft.

Airforce one is highly modified to be both a luxury office complex for
schmoozing dignitaries
and an airborne command/control/communication center that is a 21
century version of
"Looking Glass".

If and when a new AF1 is built, it will probably have the same heavy
lift capacity of the 747 line.

Next AF1's will probably be built on C-5A airframes.






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Old July 6th 03, 09:07 PM
Jean-Pierre
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Maybe buy European Airbus and show some solidarity with Europe rather than
it always being the other way round


 




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