If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
So the requirement has nothing at all to do with the
safety of pilots, just for the peace of mind of contest organisers. Thank you for explaining it so clearly. At 18:24 06 September 2005, Bb wrote: People in this discussion should stop to read the excellent FAQs about the ELT requirement on the SRA website: http://sailplane-racing.org/Rules/CR...T%20FAQ%20.htm It explains the rationale for the rule quite clearly. Briefly, the requirement is there to protect contest organizers, and at their request, rather than to force unwanted protection on pilots. Imagine running a contest, someone goes missing, and day after day passes. That's also why the rules require a mounted, impact-activated device. John Cochrane BB |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Since the vast majority of accidents are in the landing phase,
it can be reasonably expected that glider and pilot will be in very close proximity- usually intertwined. UH |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
And when they smooch the pooch right near the airport, the contest
organizers need an ELT to find 'em?? Strikes me as being another inane rule. If they were trying to improve pilot safety, which would make more sense, then they'd at least allow PLB's to be used as an alternative. Fortunately, I don't fly contests so don't have to be too concerned. But I will be voluntarily buying a PLB anyway, because I am concerned. bumper wrote in message oups.com... Since the vast majority of accidents are in the landing phase, it can be reasonably expected that glider and pilot will be in very close proximity- usually intertwined. UH |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Hi,
I have several ELT options and technical information on my web site. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/elts.htm Good Soaring, Paul Remde Cumulus Soaring, Inc. http://www.cumulus-soaring.com "Doug Hoffman" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: I am still hoping to hear from those that have installed ELT's in their gliders in anticipation of the Competion Rules requireiments for 2006. About how much does the least expensive approved ELT setup cost? My entire glider/trailer/etc. cost less than $10,500 US. I'm hoping these ELTs are not a significant percentage of that. Regards, -Doug |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Just wait until the civil aviation authority reuqires you to trade your
VolksLogger for an 88 parameter Digital Flight Data Recorder (a.k.a. "black box," in airline parlance), which will require everything short of a rectal probe. They HAVE contributed to aircraft safety, albeit for the NEXT generation of pilots and aircraft. Understanding what happened (and studying how to prevent it) is important to helping our sports survive. A shame our data loggers aren't being force fed to the power aviation fleet. FWIW, I have an ELT in my humble glider: I want to be found. I treat it like the spare tire for my crew vehicle (and my trailer), I think of them as talismans (or as part of homemage to Murphy): I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Being raised to be an Eagle Scout ("Be Prepared") might have something to do with it too. I did get the economy Ameri-King ELT, that works with Duracell "D" cells. I would love for EPIRB's to come down in price, so that I'll have a belt AND suspenders! Yes, I have analogies that are more crude, but I shall refrain. -Pete |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Most people consider pilot safety as everything needed until that pilot is
safe and sound at his intended destination. Pilots spend thousands of dollars per year on auto, glider and life insurance. Yet there is this whine about spending a few hundred dollars one time on a piece of equipment that could mean the difference between life and death, in the event of a crash. Handheld radios, cell and satellite phones are all excellent items for your land out kits, but none of them are automatically activated during a crash; nor will phones or radios be of any use if you become unconscious. I had the misfortune of recently being involved in a search for a missing pilot in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California. It gave new meaning to the old saying of “looking for a needle in a haystack”. Fortunately another pilot going the other direction had passed and talked with the missing pilot shortly before his communications ceased. This knowledge narrowed the search area down to only about a 25 mile stretch of 12,000 ft mountain peaks. After landing ourselves, three of us got into a Mooney and flew back the 150 miles to the expected search area, where we had about 45 minutes of remaining daylight in which to search. At this time, had we heard his voice or an ELT signal on the radio, we would have had at least some idea as to where the pilot had crashed. This would have meant search and rescue efforts in force at the crack of dawn. That evening, after noting that the glider was not ELT equipped, the sheriff commented that he was not calling the Civil Air Patrol in, because they primarily looked for ELT’s. It is sad to report that the deceased pilot and glider were found the next day at about 12,000 msl by a California Highway Patrol helicopter. Pilots who fly in remote, mountainous and wilderness areas should reconsider installing an ELT, if not for themselves, then maybe for their families who may lose a loved one simply because they weren’t found in time. M Eiler |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 15:08:08 +0000, Don Johnstone wrote:
If I were to be persuaded that an ELT was a necessary peice of equipment, and in the UK at least I see no urgent need... I beg to disagree: there are quite enough corners of the UK where you can crash unobserved and are unlikely to be found until a farm hand comes by on a tractor next day or next week. One thing bothers me about the UK scene: although the dropping of 121.5 MHz by CORPAS-SARSAT is an international decision and will affect UK users, there seems to be no publicity for it here and no 406 MHz ELT equipment available or promised by the likes of RD Aviation. I notice that all ELT units are very low power on 121.5. They are either 100 mW or don't bother to quote power, so I assume they are 100 mW by default. I would not want to rely on such a low power transmitter for non-satellite crashed detection. Can any of our American friends say what the typical detection range is for either 90C or 406 ELTs on 121.5? -- martin@ | Martin Gregorie gregorie. | Essex, UK org | |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
309 wrote:
Just wait until the civil aviation authority reuqires you to trade your VolksLogger for an 88 parameter Digital Flight Data Recorder (a.k.a. "black box," in airline parlance), which will require everything short of a rectal probe. They HAVE contributed to aircraft safety, albeit for the NEXT generation of pilots and aircraft. Understanding what happened (and studying how to prevent it) is important to helping our sports survive. A shame our data loggers aren't being force fed to the power aviation fleet. You're making a little joke? At best, the information to be extracted is rather minimal. Usually, there's nothing there at all, as the little backup battery held in place by a simple spring clip is jarred out of place and the data in RAM goes away in seconds. Hardly a substitute for a black box. -Dave FWIW, I have an ELT in my humble glider: I want to be found. I treat it like the spare tire for my crew vehicle (and my trailer), I think of them as talismans (or as part of homemage to Murphy): I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. Being raised to be an Eagle Scout ("Be Prepared") might have something to do with it too. I did get the economy Ameri-King ELT, that works with Duracell "D" cells. I would love for EPIRB's to come down in price, so that I'll have a belt AND suspenders! Yes, I have analogies that are more crude, but I shall refrain. -Pete |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Just wait until you have to make the phone call to a wife/spouse that their pilot hasn't come back to the field.....and you don't know where that pilot is. Just wait until you have to launch rescue search parties and hoping against all hope that you can get to the pilot before they die. Personally, I would rather spend the $400 or $500 bucks to get an ELT rather than sitting somewhere in the mountains waiting to see if anybody "noticed" where I had gone down. just my thoughts. I have been there and hope to never be there again. I love the sport, and don't want to see good pilots lost because they wanted to push that little bit extra and didn't make it. |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
X-no-archive: yes
In article , David Kinsell writes 309 wrote: Just wait until the civil aviation authority reuqires you to trade your VolksLogger for an 88 parameter Digital Flight Data Recorder (a.k.a. "black box," in airline parlance), which will require everything short of a rectal probe. They HAVE contributed to aircraft safety, albeit for the NEXT generation of pilots and aircraft. Understanding what happened (and studying how to prevent it) is important to helping our sports survive. A shame our data loggers aren't being force fed to the power aviation fleet. You're making a little joke? At best, the information to be extracted is rather minimal. Usually, there's nothing there at all, as the little backup battery held in place by a simple spring clip is jarred out of place and the data in RAM goes away in seconds. Hardly a substitute for a black box. -Dave That might be true of some older recorders, but later recorders are better in their construction and the use of Non-volatile memory. The analysis of IGC traces post accident can be informative, of sometimes show that the accident became inevitable some time before the actual event. Plan Ahead! It has been written into the specification for IGC Flight Recorders for some time that they should be "Crashworthy". Tim Newport-Peace "Indecision is the Key to Flexibility." |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Nearly had my life terminated today | Michelle P | Piloting | 11 | September 3rd 05 02:37 AM |
ramifications of new TSA rules on all non-US and US citizen pilots | paul k. sanchez | Piloting | 19 | September 27th 04 11:49 PM |
FAI Sporting Code Section 3 experts wanted | Stewart Kissel | Soaring | 28 | September 1st 04 05:58 PM |
USAF = US Amphetamine Fools | RT | Military Aviation | 104 | September 25th 03 03:17 PM |
Start Anywhere Cylinder (SSA rules proposal) | Mark Navarre | Soaring | 15 | September 25th 03 01:13 PM |