An odd clearance...can anyone explain?

At the risk of repeating myself....if you don't understand, ask!!!

Bob Gardner

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
Departing Lancaster the other day, I received an odd clearance. I was
cleared from the airport to the Lancaster VOR, then East Texas VOR...

It was that first leg (Lancaster Airport to Lancaster VOR) that confused
me.
The VOR is on the field. I have little choice but to go past it as a
trundle down the runway awaiting rotation speed.

So...why that clearance? What is expected of me?

What I did was go to the VOR (as I accelerated down the runway {8^) and
then
proceeded to ETX. But was that right?

- Andrew

Thank you Bob!...why did it take 11 replies in the thread before anyone
mentioned asking the controller? If he/she gave you the clearance, chances
are he/she is in a good position to answer this question.



"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
At the risk of repeating myself....if you don't understand, ask!!!

Bob Gardner

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
Departing Lancaster the other day, I received an odd clearance. I was
cleared from the airport to the Lancaster VOR, then East Texas VOR...

It was that first leg (Lancaster Airport to Lancaster VOR) that confused
me.
The VOR is on the field. I have little choice but to go past it as a
trundle down the runway awaiting rotation speed.

So...why that clearance? What is expected of me?

What I did was go to the VOR (as I accelerated down the runway {8^) and
then
proceeded to ETX. But was that right?

- Andrew

Brad Z wrote:

Thank you Bob!...why did it take 11 replies in the thread before anyone
mentioned asking the controller? If he/she gave you the clearance,
chances are he/she is in a good position to answer this question.

The weird thing: I did ask. I got no response. Literally.

But I was late. Instead of asking clearance delivery (it didn't click a
weird while I copied it), I asked the tower just before takeoff.

- Andrew

In article ne.com,
Andrew Gideon wrote:

Brad Z wrote:

Thank you Bob!...why did it take 11 replies in the thread before anyone
mentioned asking the controller? If he/she gave you the clearance,
chances are he/she is in a good position to answer this question.

The weird thing: I did ask. I got no response. Literally.

But I was late. Instead of asking clearance delivery (it didn't click a
weird while I copied it), I asked the tower just before takeoff.

- Andrew

The tower could probably care less what your clearance is or how you fly
it. His only job is to tell approach when you're ready to go and clear
you for takeoff when he gets your release.

"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
Departing Lancaster the other day, I received an odd clearance. I was
cleared from the airport to the Lancaster VOR, then East Texas VOR...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
At the risk of repeating myself....if you don't understand, ask!!!

Reminds me of a guy who posted here many years ago about an incident in
Canada. IIRC departing Ottawa he thought was cleared via the Ottawa VOR
then enroute fixes, but had a lot of trouble with the accents. He didn't ask
for clarification (well not more than a couple of times). So he took off
and turned back towards the on-field VOR, only to find that that made ATC
really upset. Turns out he had been cleared via the Ottawa *Four*
[departure], not the Ottawa *VOR*.

(Actually I remembered it with poetic licence but my story's better than
reality... ;-)
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...353%40peck.com

Julian

"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
...
"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
Departing Lancaster the other day, I received an odd clearance. I was
cleared from the airport to the Lancaster VOR, then East Texas VOR...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
At the risk of repeating myself....if you don't understand, ask!!!

Reminds me of a guy who posted here many years ago about an incident in
Canada.

The Ottawa VOR is 11 miles off-field, so it wouldn't quite as bizarre as
clearance to an on-field navaid.

"Icebound" wrote in
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"Julian Scarfe" wrote in message
...
"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
online.com...
Departing Lancaster the other day, I received an odd clearance.
I was cleared from the airport to the Lancaster VOR, then East
Texas VOR...

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
At the risk of repeating myself....if you don't understand, ask!!!

Reminds me of a guy who posted here many years ago about an incident
in Canada.

The Ottawa VOR is 11 miles off-field, so it wouldn't quite as bizarre
as clearance to an on-field navaid.







If you pass the VOR within 1/2 mile, I would consider that as 'crossing
the VOR'. The original poster was close to the VOR when he took off.
Hence I don't see a need to return to that VOR after taking off. Just
proceed to the next fix.

Andrew Sarangan wrote:
If you pass the VOR within 1/2 mile, I would consider that as 'crossing
the VOR'. The original poster was close to the VOR when he took off.
Hence I don't see a need to return to that VOR after taking off. Just
proceed to the next fix.

I agree with Andrew, but feel compelled to point out that this is only
true for an en-route clearance. If you were flying a DP which said
something like "fly runway heading to 1000, left turn direct Lancaster
VOR, the proceed on course", that would be a different story.

But, the OP didn't say anything about a DP, so I'm assuing that's not
what was going on here.

Andrew 11/09/2004 5:58:04 am
Departing Lancaster the other day, I received an odd clearance. I was
cleared from the airport to the Lancaster VOR, then East Texas VOR...

It was that first leg (Lancaster Airport to Lancaster VOR) that confused
me.
The VOR is on the field. I have little choice but to go past it as a
trundle down the runway awaiting rotation speed.

So...why that clearance? What is expected of me?

What I did was go to the VOR (as I accelerated down the runway {8^) and
then
proceeded to ETX. But was that right?

- Andrew

Andrew,

I would just have made a pilot intercept of the appropriate Lancaster VOR
radial as soon as practical.